PoE is better than D2...

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Hilbert wrote:

Don't you dare to call yourself a D2 players if you mention synergies.
Your username already disqualifies you.

1.10 turned D2 into shit.

Real D2 is Pre Lod D2. 1.06 and earlier.

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Hyskoa wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

I'd still like to know what's better about D2 :(

I'd be glad to tell you in detail why this is, but there literally no point in me doing it since you're part of the GGG defence force. Where common sense does not exist.
If you really, truthfully want to know, I'll write you a full list for the price of a stash tab bundle. (and no, that doesn't validate your side, as I'd rather have the new divinity game, but that'd be too much to ask, so might as well do something that lessens the burden in this one.)

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Xavderion wrote:

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Hyskoa wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

I'd still like to know what's better about D2 :(

I'd be glad to tell you in detail why this is, but there literally no point in me doing it since you're part of the GGG defence force. Where common sense does not exist.
If you really, truthfully want to know, I'll write you a full list for the price of a stash tab bundle. (and no, that doesn't validate your side, as I'd rather have the new divinity game, but that'd be too much to ask, so might as well do something that lessens the burden in this one.)

Why would I pay for the nostalgia goggle tainted opinion of yours? The main reason why some people think D2 is better is because of nostalgia. It's like the people who say vanilla WoW is the best MMO ever. Vanilla WoW would be a piece of shit game if it were released today. And that's coming from someone who had tons of fun playing it (and BC).

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allbusiness wrote:

Core gameplay wise Diablo 2 is a much more fun game for various reasons. The 'no economy' centric gaming design is one of the reasons why it is more fun. I'm not here to lecture GGG or to personally insult them, but a major issue that people have with PoE is that GGG will purposely make changes to ensure economy safety all at the expense of an individual player's fun.


This is fine if you are playing a MMORPG. The problem is that this is an ARPG, and what keeps people hooked is the gameplay and core experience of actually playing the game. Social aspects, economy, etc. are all secondary compared to the actual core experience, and I think that's where GGG has severely fucked up.


Diablo 2 is still heralded as a great game even despite BiS RWs and other OP bullshit because the OP bullshit doesn't matter to you as a player; you can still put together a strong character that can murder in the highest difficulties and do Ubers within a reasonable amount of time. In Path of Exile, you can't. For whatever reason GGG keeps following MMO design philosphies when they don't realize that ARPGs are NOT MMOs, and you cannot detract from the core gameplay experience, otherwise people WILL start bitching.

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Xavderion wrote:

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Hyskoa wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

I'd still like to know what's better about D2 :(

I'd be glad to tell you in detail why this is, but there literally no point in me doing it since you're part of the GGG defence force. Where common sense does not exist.
If you really, truthfully want to know, I'll write you a full list for the price of a stash tab bundle. (and no, that doesn't validate your side, as I'd rather have the new divinity game, but that'd be too much to ask, so might as well do something that lessens the burden in this one.)

Why would I pay for the nostalgia goggle tainted opinion of yours? The main reason why some people think D2 is better is because of nostalgia. It's like the people who say vanilla WoW is the best MMO ever. Vanilla WoW would be a piece of shit game if it were released today. And that's coming from someone who had tons of fun playing it (and BC).

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allbusiness wrote:

Core gameplay wise Diablo 2 is a much more fun game for various reasons. The 'no economy' centric gaming design is one of the reasons why it is more fun. I'm not here to lecture GGG or to personally insult them, but a major issue that people have with PoE is that GGG will purposely make changes to ensure economy safety all at the expense of an individual player's fun.


This is fine if you are playing a MMORPG. The problem is that this is an ARPG, and what keeps people hooked is the gameplay and core experience of actually playing the game. Social aspects, economy, etc. are all secondary compared to the actual core experience, and I think that's where GGG has severely fucked up.


Diablo 2 is still heralded as a great game even despite BiS RWs and other OP bullshit because the OP bullshit doesn't matter to you as a player; you can still put together a strong character that can murder in the highest difficulties and do Ubers within a reasonable amount of time. In Path of Exile, you can't. For whatever reason GGG keeps following MMO design philosphies when they don't realize that ARPGs are NOT MMOs, and you cannot detract from the core gameplay experience, otherwise people WILL start bitching.

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Xavderion wrote:

What I get from this is "D2 is the better game because it's easier to faceroll with average gear". I mean this is a valid opinion but I don't see how this makes the core gameplay better. I'm a casual player and I still have very much fun with my average gear in PoE.

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b15h09 wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

What I get from this is "D2 is the better game because it's easier to faceroll with average gear". I mean this is a valid opinion but I don't see how this makes the core gameplay better. I'm a casual player and I still have very much fun with my average gear in PoE.

Yup. ARPGs aren't hard, they're gear checks. I think the most fun most get from them is when they've beat the gear check, and start feeling pretty godly in their character. Fighting against the frustration of a gear check for extended periods is only fun for a subset of players.