PoE is better than D2...

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Hyskoa wrote:

Because it's not nostalgia? It's simply a better game for many reasons.

No it isn't.

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Hyskoa wrote:

And vanilla wow was shit too. Beautiful scenery though. Everquest was much better in atmosphere.

I'm not discussing the quality of vanilla WoW, I was talking about the people who claim vanilla WoW was the best shit in the world. There are many people out there who think this.

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Hyskoa wrote:

And you'd pay for the effort and time to answer your question since I won't bother expending the time talking to the GGG defence force without something in return :)

You're talking to me for free all the time :D Also 'GGG defence force' is getting old, work on your ad hominems.

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Xavderion wrote:

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allbusiness wrote:

Core gameplay wise Diablo 2 is a much more fun game for various reasons. The 'no economy' centric gaming design is one of the reasons why it is more fun. I'm not here to lecture GGG or to personally insult them, but a major issue that people have with PoE is that GGG will purposely make changes to ensure economy safety all at the expense of an individual player's fun.


This is fine if you are playing a MMORPG. The problem is that this is an ARPG, and what keeps people hooked is the gameplay and core experience of actually playing the game. Social aspects, economy, etc. are all secondary compared to the actual core experience, and I think that's where GGG has severely fucked up.


Diablo 2 is still heralded as a great game even despite BiS RWs and other OP bullshit because the OP bullshit doesn't matter to you as a player; you can still put together a strong character that can murder in the highest difficulties and do Ubers within a reasonable amount of time. In Path of Exile, you can't. For whatever reason GGG keeps following MMO design philosphies when they don't realize that ARPGs are NOT MMOs, and you cannot detract from the core gameplay experience, otherwise people WILL start bitching.

What I get from this is "D2 is the better game because it's easier to faceroll with average gear". I mean this is a valid opinion but I don't see how this makes the core gameplay better. I'm a casual player and I still have very much fun with my average gear in PoE.

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If you can't tell why Diablo 2's game design is absolutely superior to Path of Exile's, I don't even know what to tell you. From the ground up Diablo 2 was designed around the individual player's experience and making it fun and somewhat challenging the whole way. From the ground up, Path of Exile has been designed around MMO like principals, predominantly economy centric decisions.

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allbusiness wrote:

If you can't tell why Diablo 2's game design is absolutely superior to Path of Exile's, I don't even know what to tell you. From the ground up Diablo 2 was designed around the individual player's experience and making it fun and somewhat challenging the whole way. From the ground up, Path of Exile has been designed around MMO like principals, predominantly economy centric decisions.

This might be so, but D2 has some huge flaws itself, like a tremendous imbalance when it comes to the classes, the skills, the items or the damage from some monsters. Not to mention dupes and hacks, griefing exploits and reproducable desync in PvP.

edit: It also was way easier than PoE, and up until late nightmare it was a snorefest.

I can tell you what personally made D2 far more enjoyable then poe.

1. The monsters did not annoy me, I actually thought they were cool.
2. Bosses didn't feel clunky.
3. the map layouts were bigger, Less linear and definitely had better blue, rare, unique monster affixes.
4. The skill tree synergized well, to the point that your build could only be one thing were as poe you just lump stuff together.
5.Playing with a party was way more enjoyable.
6.You could boost a character to level 60+ in a matter of hours.
7. Nothing in POE has been as fun as chaos sanctuary runs in terms of map design.
8. Skills felt bigger, Look at Blizzard, Meteor, poison nova or bone spear versus POE's Firestorm, freezing pulse or ice spear.
9.Item modifiers were 1,000x more vast and interesting.
10.Much better boss design.
11.Fun times ending games by killing diablo in classic while people were doing other things.
12. fun times ruining chaos sanctuary runs by killing everyone.
13. The secret cow level.
14.Key runs
15.Mercenary's

I didn't have to put much thought into this list to be honest.
Unless Poe gets a bigger and more experienced staff this game does not have a chance to live up to D2. after all D2 was big budget and was also a sequel.

As time has gone on ggg's inexperience has shown, They have went back on their ideals and started to create over powered uniques. They have introduced cool down skills when I remember them stating they did not like cool down skills. Shrines just feel generic and out of place.

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allbusiness wrote:

What I get from your posts is that you'd bend over for Chris Wilson and you'd say "BEST SHIT EVER." How bout try responding to my points rather than making general statements?



If you can't tell why Diablo 2's game design is absolutely superior to Path of Exile's, I don't even know what to tell you. From the ground up Diablo 2 was designed around the individual player's experience and making it fun and somewhat challenging the whole way. From the ground up, Path of Exile has been designed around MMO like principals, predominantly economy centric decisions.

Not sure where the aggressive tone comes from, I responded to your point (it's one singular point), and my response is fully appropriate. And I disagree with your assessement of how PoE has been designed, I play 95% solo with the occasional trade here and there and I do fine. I don't feel like I'm playing an MMO at all.

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Xavderion wrote:

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Hyskoa wrote:

Because it's not nostalgia? It's simply a better game for many reasons.

No it isn't.

yes it is.

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Hyskoa wrote:

And vanilla wow was shit too. Beautiful scenery though. Everquest was much better in atmosphere.

I'm not discussing the quality of vanilla WoW, I was talking about the people who claim vanilla WoW was the best shit in the world. There are many people out there who think this.

Doesn't mean they're right.

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Hyskoa wrote:

And you'd pay for the effort and time to answer your question since I won't bother expending the time talking to the GGG defence force without something in return :)

You're talking to me for free all the time :D Also 'GGG defence force' is getting old, work on your ad hominems.

Yeah, but the points require effort. And stash tabs/divinity don't buy themselves.
And GGG defence force you will be, till the end of times.

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Hyskoa wrote:

yes it is.

No it isn't.

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Hyskoa wrote:

Doesn't mean they're right.

It's an opinion, duh.

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Hyskoa wrote:

Yeah, but the points require effort. And stash tabs/divinity don't buy themselves.
And GGG defence force you will be, till the end of times.

Stay boring then. Still talking for free to me btw :3

What I learned from being on game forums for a while now is that all games have their white knights that will defend the game no matter how stupidly designed the game is. Those players are usually the ones that have played very little of the actual game. What's more funny is how the white knights usually rotate, i.e today's white knight gets to play the game more, see its flaws and then gets dissapointed and either leaves completely or starts bashing himself.

Critical thought is hard, I know...

As I said a few posts back, to all those white knights out there, D2 was released in ~2000 and is still played regularly, even though very little new content has been added since the expansion. I would really like to see where PoE is in 2025....

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Xavderion wrote:

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Hyskoa wrote:

yes it is.

No it isn't.

Yes, it is, but now you're just starting to troll.

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Hyskoa wrote:

Yeah, but the points require effort. And stash tabs/divinity don't buy themselves.
And GGG defence force you will be, till the end of times.

Stay boring then. Still talking for free to me btw :3

Sure, but doesn't require effort like the points would, so I don't mind.

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Hyskoa wrote:

Yes, it is, but now you're just starting to troll.

No it isn't, are you trolling?

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Hyskoa wrote:

Sure, but doesn't require effort like the points would, so I don't mind.

Time = money, not effort = money. Thanks for the free response :P