I already lost 50 portals to maven.

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HunterDIII wrote:

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Draegnarrr wrote:

1 don't get hit by the beam

2 it isn't possible, they can iterate and improve sure its fine to say they could have been more imaginative with their choice of penalty but you can't punish all builds equally.

Like just to highlight this point your example just massively rewards tank builds, you've removed one of their primary threats and replaced it with a debuff they don't care about.

Nobody cares about taking longer if their build is already made to endure.

In less than 20 seconds i've shown that you made the beam more biased against one archetype arbitrarily, which is kinda the MO for design as is.

If some tank builds take really long imagines with 99% less damage, an endurance focused build will also not kill that easily.

With a tank build if you deal 10m with 99% less damage you will be reduced to 100k dps for 10 sec and thats, and that is really a low damage for a boss like maven.

People with really low hp builds i see they all the time just rushing through the beams and cheesing her and making people deal less damage is biased? how?

They way it is just heavily hurts tank and regen focused builds.


So you think that a people that made a build 100% to endure be the only heavily penalized? i'm playing boneshatter if my damage is reduced in 99% the only thing that i will gain from hitting her is self high self damage.

The way it is now if i touch the beam i can't hit, the selfdamage will kill me 100%, and she keeps teleporting through the arena very often, this make me have also more risk since i need to move more.

My friend made a saboteur trapper, he have 2300 hp just pass through the beams (when needed) and one shot the boss, he don't even need to play the boss, meanwhile i have to make a perfect run everytime on 3th stage or i'm dead.

Have you considered not touching the beams then?

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HunterDIII wrote:

They way it is just heavily hurts tank and regen focused builds.

Your premise here is wrong already. The beam doesn't hurt your build that much because you are a tank or regen focused build. It hurts you because you cause a ton of damage to yourself via boneshatter and that bloodrage gem that you refuse to remove for the fight.

You can keep wailing about bad design and all that blabla but the only thing bad here is your ability to learn and adapt.

As for your great idea, it's ... not that great really. It only turns the boss into a damage sponge. The fight will only take longer, it won't become harder. No matter how many times you fuck up there is no real penalty aside from wasting 10 seconds of your life every time. If you fail to dodge mechanics that you are supposed to dodge then you should be punished for it otherwise there is no point to it to begin with.

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Nomancs wrote:

Have you considered not touching the beams then?

He wants to make mistakes without any punishment :(

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Coconutdoggy wrote:

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Nomancs wrote:

Have you considered not touching the beams then?

He wants to make mistakes without any punishment :(

Did you tell him that he don't have to touch the beams, like, it isn't mandatory?

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Nomancs wrote:

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Coconutdoggy wrote:

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Nomancs wrote:

Have you considered not touching the beams then?

He wants to make mistakes without any punishment :(

Did you tell him that he don't have to touch the beams, like, it isn't mandatory?

It also wasn't necessary to use bloodrage in a fight where he is unable to avoid the beams that disable regen. He decided to stick with it anyway, getting killed by it after touching those beams over and over again wasting more than 50 portals in the process while complaining here.

That's the kind of individual we've got here.

So tell me any other boss that forces you change your gems cause of any mechanics it have and i will accept it.

Shaper, Elder, Exarch, Eater of Worlds, Sirus, Atziri, Catarina, delve, blight, abysm, all the acts, atlas bosses, none of then forced me to change anything.

They don't have anything that restrict the players builds at all and even with mistakes they don't punish at the point of forcing me to change my gems,

and who else gets punished for the degen beam?



people who can dps in distance can hit and move and even hit the boss through the arena without barely moving, and she also teleports a lot if you can hitkill her in the final phase in 10 seconds good for you.

cause i have to keep moving every 5 seconds, try not for a single second hit the beam, and then when i get close of her, memory game time, yeah thats really fair, now she will make a absurd sequence that forces go around the map 6 times, then when its over i go chage her again then she teleports again and starts all over again, go after her, try not to hit anything, teleports, memory game.

Now ask yourself how that affect other builds at all? if a lightning arrow builds makes a missclick and enter the beam really fast, its punished in a very different way than me with boneshatter.

A boss ability punishes extremely more depending on your build, and is only extremely notable in some builds, it's not like there's a lack of damage, a lack of life/defense/ it just punishes a specific type of build more than others.

there's are some other boss that punishes any kind of build in this way?

the last one I really need to face is the "uber uber elder" and i somehow have a feeling that he will not have this kind of bs.

The fight doesn't "force" you to do anything. It's just one of the million things you could have done to make it easier for yourself. There would be no issue with using bloodrage in the first place if you were able to just avoid those beams.

If you want other examples of bosses that might require you to adapt, there is Exarchs ballphase that can be made much easier using frostwall so many people go for that. Elder also used to require frostwall usage in the add phase for builds that didn't have enough clear before powercreep left him in the dust.

There is Sirus whose degen grounds also disable regen, stepping on those can kill you instantly if you have degen on your own and they are far less visible and harder to avoid than Mavens beams, don't even get me started on uber Sirus. Sirus also has his rotation beams that apply a debuff that increases damage taken and slows you down. Without a blink skill you'll be sitting duck because of it, similar to Mavens beams. I've stopped using movementskills other than Flame Dash years ago because of that. You're just asking to fuck yourself over using leapslam and consorts. There is also the fact that corrupted blood immunity is pretty much mandatory against him or you'll just die to that.

And then there would be Atziri who you can't even fight unless you are dot based or have a means of dealing with her inherent reflect.

Or just don't touch the beam you know...actually do the mechanics?

Why are you touching the beam in the first place wtf dude lol hey devs plz cater to me and change the fight because I don't wanna do the mechanics and if I fail a mechanic I should not be punished is basically your thread.

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HunterDIII wrote:

the last one I really need to face is the "uber uber elder" and i somehow have a feeling that he will not have this kind of bs.

Don't even bother fighting uber uber elder or any of the ubers at your level. You'll get annihilated and make more topics complaining about how unfair those fights are. Unlike Maven those uber bosses are REALLY mean.

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Coconutdoggy wrote:

Or just don't touch the beam you know...actually do the mechanics?

Why are you touching the beam in the first place wtf dude lol hey devs plz cater to me and change the fight because I don't wanna do the mechanics and if I fail a mechanic I should not be punished is basically your thread.

My point is not about touching the beam, one time i will just learn and kill her, you have to take the focus off the player who manages to dodge and focus more on how the one receiving the beam is being punished.

A skill has gigantic power and only affects some builds in the game.

If a build that doesn't have any ability that costs life and touches the beam will it be punished equally as one that does?

some builds? for a boss this size everyone should be affected in some meaningful way.

Elder slam, Sirus spheres, Shaper donut attack, Exarch balls times, they are really fair, you maybe only survive then if you have a really big ammount of defense.

If a build that doesn't have any ability that costs life and touches the beam will it be punished equally as one that does? if yes good a balanced boss, if not there is something wrong with it.

But is as people say, is just not take the beam.