I already lost 50 portals to maven.

As a person with extreme concentration issues due to illness I too disliked the fight at first. It took me a lot of practice on standard to make the fight not be intimidating.

Eventually what changed the fight for me was deciding to stop dpsing maven all together and just learn to avoid her attacks/maneuver the rotating beam and repeating the memory game endlessly until I felt I couldn't be surprised by anything anymore. When you realise there is no rush you stop messing up.


I did the same with a tanky character vs sirus. Just endlessly repeat the mechanics until comfortable.

As for farming the writ I recommend doing hidden/formed or elderslayers. 10 ways takes too long as you only get 1-2 fragments per 10 maps.

Uber maven is a bit different. You'll probably not enjoy that if you hate normal Maven LUL

There's a lot of flexing in this thread. Pretty sure I'm not good enough to kill the Maven with melee - I have the luxury of never having tried - so I feel the OP's pain.

This league I finally three portalled her on my first writ. First two deaths were just dumb-ass manoeuvres by me. Last league, 15 portals to take her out, the first 12 my build was just too weak to compensate for my own lack of skill and arguably interest in this particular fight.

I've now learned that given my talentless ineptitude, 2 million DPS is "come back later", 4 million is "maybe in 4-6 portals", 8 million is probably a win. If I was melee I'd probably double those numbers, and if using totems (EA, for instance) halve them.

My "strategy" (hah): bring sufficient DPS to compensate for my inability. Don't die 4head until last phase, then prepare to burn all portals. Concentrate on dodging the degen beams and not screwing up the last memory game. Try not to eat a massive fireball to the face. Loot watchstone, gesticulate, come back in 3 months.

The degen memory game phase is utter nonsense.

Contrast, I love fighting Sirus. I'm still not going to grind out conquerors to farm him, but that fight is awesome. Third phase is still utter garbage, but I enjoy the atmosphere more whilst taking offscreen die beams to the face.

I'd love a system where once your account has beaten a pinnacle boss once, you can run lootless free practice runs any league without fragments/writs etc.

Normal Maven is an interesting fight and quite well made imo because it is NOT a dps check. If you know her mechanics well, you can beat her on less dps than it takes to beat quest Eater/Exarch. The key really is just to not be greedy with damaging her. Her moves are all really slow and much easier to dodge than those of many other pinnacles.

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Genstein wrote:

There's a lot of flexing in this thread.

It's not flexing, Maven requires attention, understanding (her phases, there's a wiki and several hundred video guides at this point) and/or high dps, things people often lack and then cry about it.

My problem is not even the memory game, is why the regen beam? if i hit it once i can't hit for 10 seconds and if i have blood rage activated i will lose almost 40% of my hp, then i have to play the memory game that is some rng thing, evade all beams, cause if i get hit in any time, i can't dps with boneshatter and can't survive if blood rage is on.

Just imagine if the beams reflected spell damage, or projectiles back, is just a brick all for some builds it a very bad fight, i see a friend playing he just go in the beams and explode her cause he don't need to care for any of that bs.

The fight for me is just make any small mistake even a missclick, die for it, its not even close of fair, is a thing that counter many builds and i don't see why even exist.

Hope next boss they launch have some bs for ranged players, like "take no projectiles dagame" or something like "damage from spells heals the boss" and i bet they will fix it right away cause they don't give a single F for the melee playstyle.

if you truly lost 50 writs then thats like 60+ divines down the drain. that couldve funded your new build. speaking of new builds you should try her with one. you clearly cant do it with your melee build, which is fine. you need to know when to cut your loses and try a new tactic.

edit-so 50 portals not writs. my bad. that's still a lot of money down the drain though. try it with a different build

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HunterDIII wrote:

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Echothesis wrote:

If you have more than 5 ground dot pools going on with maven during single phase, it is clear indication that you lack dps. Unfortunately GGG likes this permanent degen thing, pinnacle bosses aren't meant to be outlasted, you have to kill it before it kills you by filling entire arena with degen, if nothing else.

Yeah they made the late game of this game just for specific cheese builds, if you don't cheese you don't kill, it sucks.


Thats why everytime i see someone killing maven they don't even try to play the mechanics they just go to straight damage and fuck the surrounds.

i'm with 8M dps, is not enought?

I'm killing this on SSF/Private League every league with once I get 1,5-2 mil dps. You don't need to cheese this, but you need to play the fight proper.

It's pure hyperbole to say you have to cheese Maven to kill her, and you're severely projecting your shortcomings as a bosser onto the GGG boss design team, rather than trying to understand your mistakes and improve your play.

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HunterDIII wrote:

My problem is not even the memory game, is why the regen beam? if i hit it once i can't hit for 10 seconds and if i have blood rage activated i will lose almost 40% of my hp, then i have to play the memory game that is some rng thing, evade all beams, cause if i get hit in any time, i can't dps with boneshatter and can't survive if blood rage is on.

Just imagine if the beams reflected spell damage, or projectiles back, is just a brick all for some builds it a very bad fight, i see a friend playing he just go in the beams and explode her cause he don't need to care for any of that bs.

The fight for me is just make any small mistake even a missclick, die for it, its not even close of fair, is a thing that counter many builds and i don't see why even exist.

Hope next boss they launch have some bs for ranged players, like "take no projectiles dagame" or something like "damage from spells heals the boss" and i bet they will fix it right away cause they don't give a single F for the melee playstyle.

The difference between your issues and reflect spelldamage or projectiles is that your problem only becomes a problem after you make a mistake. If you just don't touch those slow moving beams there is no negative effect on you at all. And if you were just smart enough to remove that bloodrage gem from it's socket during the fight then you could easily get away with touching them by just not attacking for 10 seconds.

Other people can call this flexing if they want but the fact of the matter is you are doing an endgame boss fight designed to be difficult as a completely new player, you mess it up because you can't even control your character properly and you don't have the presence of mind to even make tiniest adjustment to your gem setups to make things easier for your self. Instead you are coming here bitching about the fight because it's too much for your inexperienced self and demand it to be changed. It's the height of entitlement and it's honestly sickening to see this kind of mindset over and over in this place. Would be one thing if it's just you but this forum is full with shit like this.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

The difference between your issues and reflect spelldamage or projectiles is that your problem only becomes a problem after you make a mistake. If you just don't touch those slow moving beams there is no negative effect on you at all. And if you were just smart enough to remove that bloodrage gem from it's socket during the fight then you could easily get away with touching them by just not attacking for 10 seconds.

Other people can call this flexing if they want but the fact of the matter is you are doing an endgame boss fight designed to be difficult as a completely new player, you mess it up because you can't even control your character properly and you don't have the presence of mind to even make tiniest adjustment to your gem setups to make things easier for your self. Instead you are coming here bitching about the fight because it's too much for your inexperienced self and demand it to be changed. It's the height of entitlement and it's honestly sickening to see this kind of mindset over and over in this place. Would be one thing if it's just you but this forum is full with shit like this.

While not formally melee, I only do damage at melee range, thus having to constantly chase maven through 2-3 beams on final phase. It is doable, yes, but you cannot deny that maven is easier with long range build, where you just need to sidestep a bit wherever you are comfortable. I can do memory game on last phase, but still occasionally rip when she cascade shoots me at the moment of crossing the beam gap, where it is hard to sidestep.

Same goes with Sirus and having to jump over rotating beams to get to him before he winds up tracking die-beam. Doable, but pretty different experience.

I won't deny that you have to move more as melee, it comes with the territory.

If you are unwilling or incapable of doing that extra click needed to teleport to where she is before attacking then don't play melee.

The archetype is literally based around a range limitation how do people manage to always get surprised and upset that having limited range is a downside and that it can make things harder?

Besides, your argument is completely missing my point. The fight isn't bad or impossible or unfair or anything, OP just isn't good at it because he is new to the game. But instead of trying to learn and adapt he comes here and complains and blames the game. That's the issue.