Im so glad i played diablo 4 i wont ever talk down GGG

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hasatt0 wrote:

The argument was that with an automated trading system (online or offline) the AH will result in the economy being flooded with mirror-tier items that can be bought almost free (for a few chaos?) and will crash the economy.

Nah, mirror-tier items will probably be even more expensive than they are today. The problem is "the next best items", and how the value on those will fall because of the increased supply. There are tons of good items that never hit the market because of the opportunity cost associated with trading. TONS. That just rots away in someone's stash. What is the "long" (think days) term effect of this? Nothing sells, and everything but the "best" items will lose value even faster than now. So to everyone saying "I just want to sell my items and play", well, selling everything but the "best" item will be indirectly harder, because it will be harder to earn anything from them.

Proof? We saw this in the D3 AH too. And also, basic supply and demand which you so eloquently just ignore.

And... If you view the fact that games with trading are being balanced thereafter as "a problem", you clearly do not grasp the laws of supply and demand. A game with trading NEEDS to be balanced with trading in mind for ANYTHING to actually hold value.

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Phrazz wrote:

There are tons of good items that never hit the market because of the opportunity cost associated with trading. TONS. That just rots away in someone's stash. What is the "long" (think days) term effect of this? Nothing sells, and everything but the "best" items will lose value even faster than now. So to everyone saying "I just want to sell my items and play", well, selling everything but the "best" item will be indirectly harder, because it will be harder to earn anything from them.

I just don't agree with this, nor is there evidence to suggest that. In fact almost every single AH I've interacted with had a posting limit, or cost, to mitigate flooding. It's just not a thing.

Edit: I actually post a lot more items in PoE than I ever would in an AH.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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xxxcobaltxxx wrote:

because all elite players from D2 are now on POE

Lol imagine actually worrying about where the elite D2 players from 20 years ago are, or went to.

The elite OG D2 players, for the most part, if they are still gaming, are part of the adult casual base, and...you guessed it, playing D4.

People play D2 till this day. Also, you're assuming as much as the person you're replying to. Both of you have no Idea where D2 players are.

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bauermayers wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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xxxcobaltxxx wrote:

because all elite players from D2 are now on POE

Lol imagine actually worrying about where the elite D2 players from 20 years ago are, or went to.

The elite OG D2 players, for the most part, if they are still gaming, are part of the adult casual base, and...you guessed it, playing D4.

People play D2 till this day. Also, you're assuming as much as the person you're replying to. Both of you have no Idea where D2 players are.

Presumably the elites from 20 years did in fact age? Perhaps some of them haven't changed at all from when they were teens/20's, but that's likely a stretch. Most, you know, grew up.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

I just don't agree with this, nor is there evidence to suggest that. In fact almost every single AH I've interacted with had a posting limit, or cost, to mitigate flooding. It's just not a thing.

Sure, if we're talking limitations like this, it could work. But if you think this would be welcomed by the vast majority over the "free, limitless" system we have now, I think you'd be wrong. But hey, if the limitations were good enough, I'd be interested.

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Edit: I actually post a lot more items in PoE than I ever would in an AH.

Ok.

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Phrazz wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

I just don't agree with this, nor is there evidence to suggest that. In fact almost every single AH I've interacted with had a posting limit, or cost, to mitigate flooding. It's just not a thing.

Sure, if we're talking limitations like this, it could work. But if you think this would be welcomed by the vast majority over the "free, limitless" system we have now, I think you'd be wrong. But hey, if the limitations were good enough, I'd be interested.

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Edit: I actually post a lot more items in PoE than I ever would in an AH.

Ok.

Is there an AH without limits that you are aware of? It might be a decent way to look at things depending on the game. I legitimately couldn't think of any, including MMO's

I would like to offer myself up for public flogging for accidentally starting the billionth dead-end AH discussion.

I've long since vowed to not take part anymore because they're always the same. But for the few uninitiated left to this discussion, I'll also provide this link as reference in case you have not seen it:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2025870

Any discussion around trade should at least have this as a reference.

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Nubatron wrote:

I would like to offer myself up for public flogging for accidentally starting the billionth dead-end AH discussion.

Ha!

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Is there an AH without limits that you are aware of? It might be a decent way to look at things depending on the game. I legitimately couldn't think of any, including MMO's

MMO's are irrelevant because of the economy and itemization being VERY different. Especially as PoE has no gold - and no set ratios of other forms of currency. And the F2P model might also be a problem when it comes to limitations, with how easy it is to create new accounts to bypass said limitations.

When it comes to ARPG's, I honestly haven't experienced many auction houses besides D3. And while I don't really remember the exact limits there, I can't remember them being an issue at all.

But hey, if everyone asking for an AH is doing so with limitations in mind, the discussion is very different. Max 5 trades per day, I would be ALL in.

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Phrazz wrote:

But hey, if everyone asking for an AH is doing so with limitations in mind, the discussion is very different. Max 5 trades per day, I would be ALL in.

I would limit total listings (10 or 20 at most), which then allow you to add more as they sell. And you would have to be online to add new listings so that does have a little bit of an opportunity cost too.

Max trades per day probably wouldn't fly with the community. I wouldn't recommend that.