Just saw the price of that d3 remake.. called d4.. 69 EURO fkn standart edition??

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Xyel wrote:

On a random side note, it sometimes happens that two people think in such a different way that they cannot comprehend each other. Happened to me in another hobby forum, where we both genuinely tried, with great effort, to discuss an idea between each other, and we both left defeated.

At first, I thought he was on LSD, but we exchanged dozens of long messages over the course of almost two weeks... so I guess he had a huge supply :D

That can happen when both sides are genuinely up for a discussion but when one side only cares about ramming the point home about how they think they are right then it's a waste of time engaging.

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RandallPOE wrote:

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Xyel wrote:

On a random side note, it sometimes happens that two people think in such a different way that they cannot comprehend each other. Happened to me in another hobby forum, where we both genuinely tried, with great effort, to discuss an idea between each other, and we both left defeated.

At first, I thought he was on LSD, but we exchanged dozens of long messages over the course of almost two weeks... so I guess he had a huge supply :D

That can happen when both sides are genuinely up for a discussion but when one side only cares about ramming the point home about how they think they are right then it's a waste of time engaging.

This shit is wild tbh.

The problem is that its going right past one of us. I'm not sure which. So stubborn to admit that something you hate might actually be good, or me unable to possibly fathom how another person is incapable of realizing this could even happen to begin with. (And then defend it!)

Then you comppund this with localized bias here, and we venture into crazy town. Essentially the starting premise in the PoE context is immediately "PoE good, Diablo / Blizzard bad." To use your language. Why start there? What's the upside?

I suppose I can bow out here just for sake of everyone in general, but I'm truly stunned how relatively intelligent people I've interacted with for years have absolutely no capability to even grasp how they might not have a reasonable viewpoint on Diablo. (Or to a lesser degree anything that isn't PoE)

It's not some multi-million person mass delusion. Lol anyways have a nice D4 beta weekend all.

look at all of these wonderful wall of text essays going on. you guys couldve saved yourself 4-5 pages if you guys had googled what "the customer is always right" means

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yamface wrote:

look at all of these wonderful wall of text essays going on. you guys couldve saved yourself 4-5 pages if you guys had googled what "the customer is always right" means

If I recall correctly, the full quote is "the customer is always right with what they want" and it gets shortened, and then misinterpreted as a result. I didn't google that either though so take that for what it is worth.

"The customer is always right in matters of taste" is the correct quote, which is hilarious to me because it makes all these threads hating on Diablo subjective bullshitting.

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Z3RoNightMare wrote:

"The customer is always right in matters of taste" is the correct quote, which is hilarious to me because it makes all these threads hating on Diablo subjective bullshitting.

Ahh right, that's it. Close but not quite right. I should have Googled it :)

Ironically, your comment about subjectivity hits the nail on the head. 100% agreed that opinions about Diablo are subjective in terms of love AND hate.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

This shit is wild tbh.

The problem is that its going right past one of us. I'm not sure which. So stubborn to admit that something you hate might actually be good, or me unable to possibly fathom how another person is incapable of realizing this could even happen to begin with. (And then defend it!)

Then you comppund this with localized bias here, and we venture into crazy town. Essentially the starting premise in the PoE context is immediately "PoE good, Diablo / Blizzard bad." To use your language. Why start there? What's the upside?

I suppose I can bow out here just for sake of everyone in general, but I'm truly stunned how relatively intelligent people I've interacted with for years have absolutely no capability to even grasp how they might not have a reasonable viewpoint on Diablo. (Or to a lesser degree anything that isn't PoE)

It's not some multi-million person mass delusion. Lol anyways have a nice D4 beta weekend all.

It's quite remarkable to me as well to be quite honest and F me if I don't want to take one more stab at it. This is the last one, then I'm solid agree to disagree territory.

Let me paint a scenario:

You are at a friend's house and a song comes on. It's from a genre that you both like and an artist that neither you nor your friend know so bias is limited. It's the first time the song is ever played. Your friend clearly likes the song whereas you absolutely hate it -- like nails on a chalkboard.

Do you have enough information to make a decision about whether that song is good or bad in this scenario?

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Z3RoNightMare wrote:

"The customer is always right in matters of taste" is the correct quote, which is hilarious to me because it makes all these threads hating on Diablo subjective bullshitting.

That's sort of my point: We are both customers of Blizzard, and we are both having an opinion/taste about Diablo - and we are both right.

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Nubatron wrote:

Ironically, your comment about subjectivity hits the nail on the head. 100% agreed that opinions about Diablo are subjective in terms of love AND hate.

For both games, let's not forget that.

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

Seriously though. What special charm does it have? What about it transcends its free to play nature that isn't somehow rooted in the fairness of its free to play model? The complexity of the system? It's a Gordian Knot and everyone here knows it. I am playing Titan Quest on my tablet with a ps4 controller right now and to me it is a more charming, enjoyable experience as an arpg than PoE has been for years.

We all know that car analogies are a bit overplayed here, but you started it first and I won't go at it for too long, I promise. So, PoE is kinda like an old BMW from back when you really drove the car and not just gave it hints and let it handle the rest, ok, or an old camera for those that hate cars. It's about the buttons and dials, and the very direct response from the system. That doesn't truly have to be complex, some buttons can be mostly for show, it's the feel you get from tampering with them, choosing what to press and how hard.

So, that's the most common reason someone with virtually unlimited cash got an ancient BMW for almost nothing and then invested $200k into it, instead of buying a new Tesla or whatever. Something that will just smoothly and comfortably take him from Jackson to Albuquerque just won't get the juices flowing. So, if you're unfortunate enough that PoE is the thing that gives you the tingles, you're kinda screwed because there isn't anything quite like it out there, and D4 almost certainly won't do the trick.

Fun fact: first car was a bmw and for about a year I was fooled into thinking that meant anything great. Then it became apparent my folks had gotten hella cheap because as you have noted, they are hella expensive to fix. So it is an interesting quirk that cars once and perhaps still considered prestige also function as first timer wheels after a certain age. [I could have lied and said I worked and paid for it myself but my cash in hand dishwasher job barely paid for the petrol tbh]

My current car is now over ten years old and I still love it and sure for far less than I paid for it I could get a new one with way more bells and whistles. I get the analogy. I do. But we aren't talking about a fairly niche experience here with PoE. This isn't some small Old BMW Owners club. Unless the number of people to whom I am referring is that small, in which case the game has a LOT more freeloaders and minnows than I expected.

Which doesn't quite fit the fact that GGG continue to invest in overpriced (from a consumer's perspective) mtxes but eh why not both in Little Girl Mexican.

I like the usage of the word tingle here. Not quite a hard thrill or cry of joy. Just a little buzz. I imagine with PoE it's a lot of non-financial sunk cost -- Exiles spend a lot of time learning the machine and keeping up with its changes. If that time spent doesn't translate into tingly moments of success then maybe said Exiles are just wasting their time. I also imagine success=fun in this case because I don't think the game has many other potential "fun" factors. Doesn't even have a fun physics engine where you occasionally yeet a fool off a cliff or a bridge or into the water.

I am always a little surprised when a game does that and how much I enjoy it. Wall splats especially. Game deals extra damage for a well-placed wall splat? Fuckin' awesome.

Okay thumbs sore again. Grats on being the first to answer me and thus the only one to get an answer. I am glad it was someone with something to say...otoh had it not been, maybe I wouldn't have. Hhaaha who am I kidding. STILL posting in a damn troll thread.

Diablo IV is not a remake of Diablo 3.