Zizaran relogauntlet question

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Phrazz wrote:

I think PoE has to be the only game in the history of games where logging out at the first sign of danger is not only accepted, but more or less encouraged by the HC community.

I vaguely remember another game which was the same way, you might have heard of it. A little game called Diablo 2.

As usual, the only people complaining about the logouts are SC players rationalizing why they don't play HC.

I for one, think the logout delay à la D3 is dumb as fuck, and forbids anyone to play HC altogether, since you're gonna lose your character every time you get a power outage , an ISP connection reset, a dog or a kid unplugging your modem, or what have you...

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patirce wrote:

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Phrazz wrote:

I think PoE has to be the only game in the history of games where logging out at the first sign of danger is not only accepted, but more or less encouraged by the HC community.

I vaguely remember another game which was the same way, you might have heard of it. A little game called Diablo 2.

As usual, the only people complaining about the logouts are SC players rationalizing why they don't play HC.

I for one, think the logout delay à la D3 is dumb as fuck, and forbids anyone to play HC altogether, since you're gonna lose your character every time you get a power outage , an ISP connection reset, a dog or a kid unplugging your modem, or what have you...

Complaining and stating that it is not worth the time and effort, is not even close to the same thing.

It is quite literally a waste of time for anyone other than streamers that NEED the repetitive content.

Also...

I'm gonna defend logout macros. First of all you can't get around the fact that it's HC. It's still perma-death. Just look at the Gauntlet ladder. Currently 11/20 on the first page are dead.

Darkee is one of the top racers and he's on his third character in this event - the first two are dead. I dare any of the people who complain about logout get a character to level 95+ in this event, or any HC league for that matter.

You can see from the ladder that massive numbers of people have died at low levels. Logout is not saving these people. It's a race, so even if you use logouts you have to know when to use it. You can't race if you log out at the slightest sign of danger like some people are saying. You'd never make any progress that way.

I used log out macros years ago, along with an "out of sync" macro. I always thought it gave a false sense of security. If you rely on it, it actually makes it more dangerous in my opinion. You MUST play HC like HC whether you use a macro or not. You won't live otherwise.

I quit using macros several years ago. I will occasionally log out manually though, but that's pretty rare. I actually do better without it, but then I'm not a top racer. I stay alive by creeping. Top racers don't have that luxury - they wouldn't be at the top of the ladder if they logged all the time.

The implication that HC with macros is not much different than SC is absurd.

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harddaysnight wrote:

Darkee is one of the top racers and he's on his third character in this event - the first two are dead. I dare any of the people who complain about logout get a character to level 95+ in this event, or any HC league for that matter.

1. why do you think players need to complete the entire gauntlet?
2. i have a dozen of them, half of them are lv100

this is a serious problem with modern gamers. everyone is strictly goal oriented these days that they think they are entitled for everything to be completable. the gauntlet must be completable for whatever reason in your head.. even though nothing would change if the event ended with nobody finishing everything. its the same mentality that people have when they want to be entitled to free lv100s by removing exp penalty

the point of hc is to perma death your characters for mistakes. if you cant handle that then play sc

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this is a serious problem with modern gamers. everyone is strictly goal oriented these days that they think they are entitled for everything to be completable

I mean this is kinda unfair. Anyone could run blue tier 14 maps to 100, it would just take longer, and to me, too boring for its worth.

That's the appeal to SC imo. You can do more "fun" things because there isnt a significant concern of losing everything.

While I do recognize that this stress of everything being on the line is appealing to some, I can certainly understand that for others, playing so safe, and constantly stressing, isnt enjoyable, which ultimately, is why we are playing in the first place.

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harddaysnight wrote:

The implication that HC with macros is not much different than SC is absurd.

Its also absurd to suggest that HC without is similar to HC with though, the game is wildly different when you have to accept consequences vs pattern recognition escape.

Does anyone play Ironman on other games they play? Logout is basically save scumming on Ironman it completely defeats the purpose of playing it and i'm guilty of it too on occasion i'll bak bak out like a chicken because my Xcom2 guy turned on 4 pods when he ran past a window.

Accepting its use is OK but don't defend it, its sad that we have to use it to compete because everyone else does. I'm fine with it being a personal choice, but it isn't a personal choice in competition.

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patirce wrote:

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Phrazz wrote:

I think PoE has to be the only game in the history of games where logging out at the first sign of danger is not only accepted, but more or less encouraged by the HC community.

I vaguely remember another game which was the same way, you might have heard of it. A little game called Diablo 2.

As usual, the only people complaining about the logouts are SC players rationalizing why they don't play HC.

I for one, think the logout delay à la D3 is dumb as fuck, and forbids anyone to play HC altogether, since you're gonna lose your character every time you get a power outage , an ISP connection reset, a dog or a kid unplugging your modem, or what have you...

Ah yes, good 'ol "I use logout macro in case I have power outage".

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Phrazz wrote:

"Logout macro" has become a part of the PoE hardcore scene. I find it very weird. I think PoE has to be the only game in the history of games where logging out at the first sign of danger is not only accepted, but more or less encouraged by the HC community.

IMO, the whole idea of logging out at the first sign of danger is so anti-hardcore as it comes. But as I don't play hardcore, I'm not supposed to have an opinion on it, as I'm just a softcore scrub that can't possibly understand anything :)

It doesn't bother me though, other than making certain streams very boring to watch. As long as it's allowed, play the game as you like.

More or less? It definite is encouraged -logout is the only thing you are allowed to use a macro for.

That said we all play be same rules and those dudes are still beasts even with logout macros rushing and like lvl 100 within a week. I cant do it. Always hit wrong button in panic like I hit wrong flasks lol

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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this is a serious problem with modern gamers. everyone is strictly goal oriented these days that they think they are entitled for everything to be completable

I mean this is kinda unfair. Anyone could run blue tier 14 maps to 100, it would just take longer, and to me, too boring for its worth.

That's the appeal to SC imo. You can do more "fun" things because there isnt a significant concern of losing everything.

While I do recognize that this stress of everything being on the line is appealing to some, I can certainly understand that for others, playing so safe, and constantly stressing, isnt enjoyable, which ultimately, is why we are playing in the first place.

No one does that in competitive scene. That what makes those dudes amazing. They run T16s just not juiced the the max like triple Beyonds and Delis... I do agree though I like precarious maps like that so I play SC where one can have fun with death.

Ole reliable portal on death equipped

You had me at "Reasons D3 is superior in so many ways".