PoE time has passed

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clf59 wrote:

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DoubleU wrote:

Maybe OP should try a different build once in a while.

Probably been cutting and pasting builds for so long he doesn't actually know how to create one.

What's wrong with that? It has literally been going on in rpg games since like forever.

Nothing wrong with playing one archetype.
My point was that the game has a lot to offer beyond 1 class.

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DoubleU wrote:

Nothing wrong with playing one archetype.
My point was that the game has a lot to offer beyond 1 class.

Well That can't be argued against. It is actually one of the many strong suits of the game. I am not in agreement that poe's time has passed as the thread title implies. It's a ridiculous claim in general.

That being said, it has passed for ME, and it would seem many others, The folks who came to enjoy and appreciate the game in it's 3.13 state. 3.13 was the only league I ever played until it migrated, which in my eyes, is an indicator that the game had reached a zenith. although I have not been around since alpha, I have been here since rampage, which is fairly long, so it took me a long time to get there. That's gone now. I know to you and those who share your point of view, I am whiney and entitled. I'll accept that and I certainly understand it, but I think I have earned it with my loyalty.

So I will hang around the forums. Make my snarky posts in order to demonstrate my contempt, but also understand that it will achieve nothing but a small amount of satisfaction. They never , and should never revert such huge decisions once they have made them, so even if I had the best argument in the history of gaming it wouldn't matter anyway. It is possible though , that one of these posts might give them pause in the future so that they can avoid this kind of thing from ever happening again.

You are probably thinking...holy crap how did that come from my virtually harmless post? (it just occured to me haha) But this is more about me releasing disappointment and frustration than anything else. You just happened to be easy to quote 😁

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Xtorma wrote:

So I will hang around the forums. Make my snarky posts in order to demonstrate my contempt, but also understand that it will achieve nothing but a small amount of satisfaction. They never , and should never revert such huge decisions once they have made them, so even if I had the best argument in the history of gaming it wouldn't matter anyway. It is possible though , that one of these posts might give them pause in the future so that they can avoid this kind of thing from ever happening again.

Not arguing your point, Im just hoping you do understand all this is going to achieve is stopping GGG from ever implementing anything close to Harvest or 3.13 again since the community clearly cant handle it in case its getting nerfed/removed.

The mentality you are putting on display here is why we cant have good shit.
As long as you are aware and know what you are doing, have at it.

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Xtorma wrote:

it has passed for ME

I'm curious here, as you've enjoyed the game for longer without Harvest, than you have with Harvest. Is it you taking a stand, by principle, saying "you did this, so I'm not playing", or is it that you can't see yourself having fun in this game ever again without Harvest?

This league for sure has passed already.

Poor souls trying to start right now with 2 months and half of barely supply of anything on trade.

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Orbaal wrote:

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Xtorma wrote:

So I will hang around the forums. Make my snarky posts in order to demonstrate my contempt, but also understand that it will achieve nothing but a small amount of satisfaction. They never , and should never revert such huge decisions once they have made them, so even if I had the best argument in the history of gaming it wouldn't matter anyway. It is possible though , that one of these posts might give them pause in the future so that they can avoid this kind of thing from ever happening again.

Not arguing your point, Im just hoping you do understand all this is going to achieve is stopping GGG from ever implementing anything close to Harvest or 3.13 again since the community clearly cant handle it in case its getting nerfed/removed.

The mentality you are putting on display here is why we cant have good shit.
As long as you are aware and know what you are doing, have at it.

If 3.13 was so bad they should have never let it get that far in the first place. They held all the cards. My mentality had absolutely nothing to do with what they put in the game. No one forced them to do anything they didn't want to. The only thing I did wrong was to like it. According to them, and a segment of the forums here, we are not losing "good stuff" we are losing bad stuff, and therefore a bad unwanted segment of players.

I mean who does that? Who spends years building something and attracting people into it, and then go like...ooops our bad. We are unhappy now...take a long walk off of a short pier. (well besides coca-cola with their new coke) Thank you for your patronage. I mean, you don't see the issue with that? Well perhaps you don't, nothing wrong with that I suppose. Perhaps it's just me who sees it this way. Not like I haven't been wrong before.

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Xtorma wrote:

If 3.13 was so bad they should have never let it get that far in the first place.

True - cant and wont argue that and Im still wondering why they did it.
You can tell from the podcasts that Chris does regret 3.13, but still doesnt explain why they did it.
And no - cheap money grab isnt the explanation as you think. They would have made far more money by keeping it this way. They are pissing money away right now, they knew it was going to happen and did it anyways. So please spare me the "money grab" theory - it doesnt hold water.

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Xtorma wrote:

The only thing I did wrong was to like it.

No your mistake wasnt liking it but taking it for granted. I had so many builds and playstyles nerfed to trash over the years, I lost count but also dont care anymore. I´ll simply enjoy whatever while it lasts and move on when its gone - this last part is where you failed.

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Xtorma wrote:

According to them, and a segment of the forums here, we are not losing "good stuff" we are losing bad stuff, and therefore a bad unwanted segment of players.

A portion of the forums - sure thats fair.
GGG never said anything like that, you are reading this into their replies because you are mad at them. Thats all.

They simply dont want everybody to be able to complete the most difficult encounters. This has always been their stance and didnt just happen out of nowhere past 3.13 - which is also why 3.13 was such a mistake as far as Im concerned.
That said: Not wanting everybody to be able to complete the really hard stuff isnt the same as not wanting a segment of the playerbase.
Thats purely entitlement speaking here or Im misreading it - if so please help me understanding your point.

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Xtorma wrote:

I mean who does that? Who spends years building something and attracting people into it, and then go like...ooops our bad. We are unhappy now...take a long walk off of a short pier.

I dont think this is what happening at all and I made my point clear several times. I dont think I need to repeat it and ofc only time will tell if Im right or not.
They didnt change anything with regards to their longterm plans. But they failed miserably communicating their goals so far. In case you do happen to work in the industry, its pretty clear what they are doing but if you dont than its very hard to understand what they are trying to achieve.
Their vision is still the same vision as they stated during the GDC talks back in 2019.

Besides the poor communication their strategy of throwing all nerfs into a single patch is questionable to say the least. So yeah GGG did fuck up for sure and can be blamed for a plethora of things - not wanting a segment of the playerbase to be around and and play the game however is not amongst those.

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Phrazz wrote:

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Xtorma wrote:

it has passed for ME

I'm curious here, as you've enjoyed the game for longer without Harvest, than you have with Harvest. Is it you taking a stand, by principle, saying "you did this, so I'm not playing", or is it that you can't see yourself having fun in this game ever again without Harvest?

I think harvest should have never been implemented. I hardly even used it. I think it should have never gone core. According to chris it was an experiment, so they should have collected enough data during the league to realize how it was being used and nipped it in the bud.

3.13 is a different matter. This was something purposefully created over a very long time interval (look at when powercreep started to rise) They had to know exactly what they were doing. Powercreep was not some foreign concept to them. They could have stopped it at any time and just progressed laterally, its not unknown to do so. Instead, by their own choice they proliferated it. More people started coming and enjoying it, and they just kept going with it. In doing so they built quite a following , and they benefited greatly from it.

Now they are unhappy with what they built. Ok . I get that. I am not going to reiterate why I think they did it, i've said it enough times. I also sympathize with the folks who just want one hardcore game in the gaming universe, and want everyone else excluded. Chest beating and all that stuff, I mean I get it. but what percentage of people in 3.13 were doing feared or sirus 9 or maven?, or even uber elder. What percentage is acceptable to people in order for them to consider the game "hardcore"? I guess I will never know , but it would be interesting to find out. Hope that answered your question as to why I am what I am right now.

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Xtorma wrote:

3.13 is a different matter. This was something purposefully created over a very long time interval (look at when powercreep started to rise) They had to know exactly what they were doing. Powercreep was not some foreign concept to them. They could have stopped it at any time and just progressed laterally, its not unknown to do so. Instead, by their own choice they proliferated it. More people started coming and enjoying it, and they just kept going with it. In doing so they built quite a following , and they benefited greatly from it.

Now they are unhappy with what they built. Ok . I get that. I am not going to reiterate why I think they did it, i've said it enough times. I also sympathize with the folks who just want one hardcore game in the gaming universe, and want everyone else excluded. Chest beating and all that stuff, I mean I get it. but what percentage of people in 3.13 were doing feared or sirus 9 or maven?, or even uber elder. What percentage is acceptable to people in order for them to consider the game "hardcore"? I guess I will never know , but it would be interesting to find out. Hope that answered your question as to why I am what I am right now.

I agree with you on almost all points made here. 3.11 was a fun experiment, 3.13 was a total fail - and a lot of bad decisions were made.

You didn't really answer my question, though. You clearly can find fun in the game without Harvest. So you leaving the game is some sort of protest? "I don't want to take part in this rollercoaster"? Which is fair, I guess.

To me, it's all about fun. I'll save my principles to real life. If I'm having fun, I play. If I'm having fun, but despise some of their decisions, I'll play for free. If I was to quit every game the moment a developer did something bad/stupid, I don't think there's many games left.

I'm a simple dude, I guess.