PoE time has passed

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clf59 wrote:

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Canibaloler wrote:

i dont believe in Blizzard any more. With current state of WoW mass exodus and game director of Diablo 4 leaving the company do you really believe that are able to provide a good game? Look at the remaster o warcaft 3. D2R doesn't count because outsourced to another team. So yeah it might be good but still is a 1999 game.

I'm sure D4 will be oozing with social justice warrior politicking just like WoW. Hard pass.

same ;)

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clf59 wrote:

High-level personnel NEVER leave for non-project-related reasons.

This is quite different - a big scandal with many high profile developers that went public recently. Also, they aren't letting their director go before D4 is complete (since he's done a great job overall), which is more bad news for PoE 2 since D4 might come sooner than most people expect.

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Skelos_bg wrote:

With D2R and Lost Ark around the corner, and D4 coming the same time as PoE 2, it seems that PoE time has already passed. The interest in the game is way lower than before and that won't change in the near future.

Maybe PoE 2 is the last hope for the series, maybe it's already doomed by D4. I hear D4 will be huge.

What are your thoughts?

last time i played d2 i was like 12yo, i've played it a lot, but at that times (1998-2004) the quality of games that i was playing was so ridiculously high(blood(monolith), half-life, warcraft 3, world of warcraft classic, starcraft, unreal tournament) that i haven't memorized the exact greatness of d2. i remembered that it was a solid game.

i've played open beta of d2r this weekend, and, damn, there is definitely something in that game. something that makes people consider it one of if not the best videogame ever made. the level of polish, integrity, stylistic vision is on point, and with remastered graphics and animations it's even better. meaningful loot system, slow, but rewarding combat.

yeah, some outdated systems are there: charms, inventory micromanagement, potions aka flasks, obligatory storyline per character, seems like path of exile took the worst from it.

not speaking in terms of addiction potential, but as A GAME, diablo 2 resurrected is better than path of exile (3.15) imo.

- there are more bosses in path of exile, but they are time/currency gated even before dps checking
- 90% of builds are unviable in the endgame (3.15), so build diversity is an illusion, ye you can create some crap to play white maps with it, nothing more
- constant one-shots and lack of visual clarity
- farming currency/economy/trading simulator
- crafting = extreme gambling
- huge passive tree is more like a noob trap

so path of exile is like colossus on clay feet, all its strengths are smeared by poor implementation and balancing. there are some grind-involving atlas systems, question is, is the game benefitting from them? or is this mobile-level shit design?

so i still think that remastered 20yo game is very dangerous to path of exile (3.15).

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Skelos_bg wrote:

With D2R and Lost Ark around the corner, and D4 coming the same time as PoE 2, it seems that PoE time has already passed. The interest in the game is way lower than before and that won't change in the near future.

Maybe PoE 2 is the last hope for the series, maybe it's already doomed by D4. I hear D4 will be huge.

What are your thoughts?

I dont consider any of those games as a competion for PoE.
A distraction for a month or two - sure why not?

But I dont think those game offer more than 10-20% of the content PoE has to offer, also have close to zero endgame and nowhere near as much content will be added to those games as PoE will in the future.


Especially D4 is more likely going to be a joke than competition tbh.
Blizzard hasnt released a single good game in the past 5 years, the good devs have left ages ago and now they are also facing a massive scandal.
Doesnt look too hot as far as I can tell and its also likely going to casual AF - so hard pass on that one.

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Orbaal wrote:

But I dont think those game offer more than 10-20% of the content PoE has to offer

what content, dude?
heist aka door opening simulator?
endless delve aka stand in one place in 1 min, next?
bloated chore aka atlas?
bosses to play memory games with? or get one-shotted by lasers from off-screen?
"content" lol. quality > quantity.
i remember when uber elder was an endgame boss. solid boss. better than all new bosses/conquerors combined. now that was quality.
you know, i can go to my toilet and shit there, and call that "content" too. are you aware of this?

We'll see - both D2R and LA will take their cut from PoE.

About D4 - don't underestimate it. Their engine with fluent zone transition (no loading times) speaks enough that they are hitting hard on the genre. They will compete with PoE 2 regarding content updates and in the long run the better engine always wins.

So, it's hard for me to see PoE/PoE 2 rising again. Maybe if PoE 2 comes before D4 it will have its glory for a few months and that will be it.

Gotta love all these doomsday prophets claiming that '2 weeks' games like D2:R aand Lost Ark can end PoE. Give me a break. A 22 year old game with long past due dated mechanics, give me a break?? 2 weeks of nostalgia (or rather ruining for nostalgia for most, that's why I won't pay Blizzard 40 bucks).
And Lost Ark ... a game that has been announced 10+ years ago, probably also a nice 2 week game. You guys are hilarious.
We all know D4 will also be a '2 weeks game', Lolcen is well .. Lolcen.
The only game that actually can have a long term effect on PoE is Last Epoch, but honestly that more likely has a '4 weeks' game potential rather than a '2 weeks' one.
We should all be honest, nothing can catch up on 10 years of regular updates. The game is in a weird transition phase for sure, but people will come back, they always have been, because the alternatives are fun but short with less potential.
The people that play Grim Dawn for more than 2 playthroughs are very limited for example, the same will happen for all these so-claimed PoE-killers.

D2R is an outdated game - sure, but PoE is becoming one such game atm. The player base declines and players lose interest. PoE is killing itself, opening the door for other games to come and take a share from the pie.

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Skelos_bg wrote:

We'll see - both D2R and LA will take their cut from PoE.

About D4 - don't underestimate it. Their engine with fluent zone transition (no loading times) speaks enough that they are hitting hard on the genre. They will compete with PoE 2 regarding content updates and in the long run the better engine always wins.

So, it's hard for me to see PoE/PoE 2 rising again. Maybe if PoE 2 comes before D4 it will have its glory for a few months and that will be it.

Ofc will have the best engine. But then again even Diablo 3 has better engine. Why don't people play it already? The answer is very simple. Ever heard the phrase "All the gear but NO idea" :P

think about it ;)

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Tainted_Fate wrote:

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Orbaal wrote:

But I dont think those game offer more than 10-20% of the content PoE has to offer

what content, dude?
heist aka door opening simulator?
endless delve aka stand in one place in 1 min, next?
bloated chore aka atlas?
bosses to play memory games with? or get one-shotted by lasers from off-screen?
"content" lol. quality > quantity.
i remember when uber elder was an endgame boss. solid boss. better than all new bosses/conquerors combined. now that was quality.
you know, i can go to my toilet and shit there, and call that "content" too. are you aware of this?

Im still enjoying the game for what it is.

I still do remember the days when Dominus was the endboss. Much has changed since then. I adapted and enjoyed the game.
Precisely whats going on now. Game is changing, Im adapting and enjoying it.

If you dont, well time to move on I guess and before you tell you did already quit and the sky is falling and all that crap - why are still here taking the time to shitpost?