Don't concede an inch to Reddit.

Sounds like some people can't remember the glorious Reddit era where a majority was downvoting like hell any negative or problematc feedbacks on the game, even very moderated ones. I remember: this lasted for several years.

So oups, bad patch over mitigated path the game has taken since 2 years or so: clash ?

No surprise, no cries, perfectly deserve it. End of story.

There is no force being used by the playerbase here. You need power to initiate force , and no one outside of the GGG office has any. Every single choice the devs made or make is on them. The Change that is coming is going to happen , and the only thing anyone can do is watch it go down in the months to come.

The change may turn out fantastic , and the game may grow into a behemoth of arpg fun. We can all hope. It's certainly a strong possibility. The thing is people don't handle change well, especially when it's so drastic. That is what we are seeing here. They like what they have and are doing the only thing they can think of in order to protect it. It's a crap storm to be sure, but I am going to have to reiterate that it is a storm created wholly and completely by the choices made by folks that have complete control over every aspect of the game, and none of them post here. I understand it.

It will die down. It always does. I honestly don't think Chris and crew are really even remotely intimidated by any of this. It's been nasty from both sides and every angle, but that is always the case in any gaming forum. They knew this was coming to some degree and they are just going to work right through it.

If you like the changes and trust in GGG to make the game great again (hehe) then you are really just working yourself up over nothing. As the changes are more fleshed out , folks will trickle back in. sure some are gone forever , but no one here didn't expect that. The only real scenario that you should be worried about is a complete and utter implosion and exodus. It's not going to happen.

Chill out. Let it run it's course ,and stop fighting a fight that is already won. For me. I posted what I needed to see in order to stick around, and of course it got no answer except from some guy (fellow player) who told me basically tough luck. It is what it is , but I felt I owed to myself and GGG to give them an opportunity. Now I'll wait and see.

It's a good game. I hope they do the reset right, but without a proper manifesto, the only evidence I have that they will succeed is the mess we have now.

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If you like the changes and trust in GGG to make the game great again (hehe) then you are really just working yourself up over nothing.

I do not. Not in the least. Trust them, that is.

I think all the GGG's defenders and supporters should go to reddit.

There's a GGG's defender in this sub-forum, keep insulting every negative post, blaming they are bad at this game, claiming he is doing so good in 3.15 too, just like what other defenders on reddit do.

If you read about 20 negative posts recently, you can find him humiliating people, almost every post.

But you can actually find out what a player he is on official forum, so I just click to his profile, and found out he is actually knows nothing about this game and not even a good player at all.

That embarrassment won't happen if he hide himself on reddit.

-Edited: Overly negative, I apologize.

Notice how you ignored every single thing i said because its 100% true and nothing you just said in that post addressed any of the factual statements about why the games in the current state its in. Yeah...

"Lets agree to disagree because we live in two different realities".

No, im living in actuality and actually paid attention to what made the game get to the current state with the issues it currently has because unlike others i actually care about the game and seeing it get better.

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Alex2515 wrote:

GGG should start moving away from communicating through Reddit. It's an incredibly bad way to communicate with customers. Any positive discussion about the recent changes are immediately downvoted into oblivion by [Removed by Support]. The only positive threads I've seen about this patch have been seen through searching /all in the controversial section.

Half of the [Removed by Support] on Reddit want PoE to turn into a Chinese Moba P2W fiesta. They don't want to engage with mechanics and cry when their builds can't kill a boss in half a second. They want to speed through maps and play their same OP character they've played for five years.

I was very excited when I saw the pace and the gameplay of PoE 2. I really hope that this [Removed by Support] tantrum does not affect any of the development.

The Reddit echo-chamber has already greatly affected the HC community where constant spouts of 'HC is waaaay too dangerous, don't play that you just get off-screened and 1-shot all the time!!!!!' greatly discourage new players from joining throughout the years. Whereas in reality, they have no idea what they're talking about (as always) and HC has been safer than it ever has been in the past.

I hope that GGG doesn't concede to the circus that is Reddit. I'd hate to see PoE turn into Retail WoW.

It's not a reddit thing. It's everywhere. Even more so here..... So maybe start thinking why that is... If everyone is complaining on all platforms, and all the ratings, player numbers and reviews hit dumpster levels..... then maybe it is you with the odd one out point of view.

Wow, talk about offbase. Half the people on Reddit want to turn this game into an asian p2w moba? Funny that I've never seen a single post or comment anywhere asking for p2w features, moba features (team-based single-match pvp), or typical asian gaming features (if anything, people want less gambling and rng, not more). Not a single post, ever, anywhere. I think you should focus on actual constructive feedback, and not place blatantly false words in the mouths of anyone you don't agree with just to try to discredit them.

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

Notice how you ignored every single thing i said because its 100% true and nothing you just said in that post addressed any of the factual statements about why the games in the current state its in. Yeah...

"Lets agree to disagree because we live in two different realities".

No, im living in actuality and actually paid attention to what made the game get to the current state with the issues it currently has because unlike others i actually care about the game and seeing it get better.

-Edited: Overly negative, I apologize.


You say you care about the game, but you'll point to people making valid criticisms, actually wanting to improve the game, and say it's all their fault the game is in the state it is. What are you bringing to this conversation exactly? It seems like your only proposal is to ignore the people who are rightfully upset. And if GGG completely ignored the playerbase the game would die pretty quick.

I'm pro-damage nerf, but they did a sloppy job of it.

If they're going to squash numbers to keep old league content relevant and the game challenging, there needs to be less of a gap between that content and the most recent releases as well as a leveling of player power. IF they want players to care less about clear speed, they need to tweak all the extremely rewarding mechanics that encourage faster clear speed. It's just common sense.

If a build is powerful enough to take on the maven, shaper has like one quarter the health. It would still be trivial by comparison post nerf, not to mention all the mapping content below shaper. Plenty of builds couldn't take on maven or high delirium maps, and the global nerf just lowered that amount, that's why people are playing meta builds. People prefer builds that are capable of clearing all content.

If they're going to blanket nerf damage, they need to keep an eye on already vulnerable builds. They bumped up the damage of strike skills to counter some of the nerfs, but that was pretty much it.

On top of that, it was a bad idea to do this when people were already feeling like the Atlas was stale. If there was a big expansion to experience on the other side of these nerfs, people would have been much more willing to experiment and less likely to rage quit and complain.

I would agree with the OP. Catering to the vocal, entitled and tantrum throwing demands of a pack of spoiled manlets on Reddit is, at best, a bad way to handle game balancing. And at worst, you are chaining yourselves to the whims of those Vorici would call, quote, "Selfish Malcontents."

You basically have to treat these sorts of people as a parent would a small child. If you give in to their outbursts or foot-stomping fits, you will only get more of that behavior in the future. If they know it works, that's all you'll see from them.

Caving to mobs of rabble is a good way to put your game development cycle and community firmly in the hands of angry toddlers, who by their nature, will never be satisfied. They'll ruin your game with their petulance - and, in the end, blame you for doing it.

And in a way, they'd be correct. Just not for the reasons they think.