Don't concede an inch to Reddit.

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Kulthanel wrote:

The same 4-7 names on this forums are on copium life support since their precious game they simp and stan for is going for the activision blizzard ways/path in development way.

Mind you, from what I'm seeing those 4-7 names are saying that the game is asscheeks, breaks 7/10 core principles of good game design, yadda yadda. If GGG has simps like that, they need no critics.
If you think the game is messed up but has the potential to be good, why wouldn't you be happy it's getting a rehaul? Who knows, maybe it turns out better.

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stalkingjackal wrote:

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Lwe1389 wrote:

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Alex2515 wrote:

GGG should start moving away from communicating through Reddit. It's an incredibly bad way to communicate with customers. Any positive discussion about the recent changes are immediately downvoted into oblivion by [Removed by Support]. The only positive threads I've seen about this patch have been seen through searching /all in the controversial section.

Half of the [Removed by Support] on Reddit want PoE to turn into a Chinese Moba P2W fiesta. They don't want to engage with mechanics and cry when their builds can't kill a boss in half a second. They want to speed through maps and play their same OP character they've played for five years.

I was very excited when I saw the pace and the gameplay of PoE 2. I really hope that this [Removed by Support] tantrum does not affect any of the development.

The Reddit echo-chamber has already greatly affected the HC community where constant spouts of 'HC is waaaay too dangerous, don't play that you just get off-screened and 1-shot all the time!!!!!' greatly discourage new players from joining throughout the years. Whereas in reality, they have no idea what they're talking about (as always) and HC has been safer than it ever has been in the past.

I hope that GGG doesn't concede to the circus that is Reddit. I'd hate to see PoE turn into Retail WoW.

Lmao this guy has NEVER:

had 3 watchstones socketed to every region
completed every atlas map
done uber atziri
done uul-netol, esh, or chayula
killed maven



Yeah GGG ahead and continue to take feedback from players who don't even interact with end game smh

So the criteria for being able to give feedback is -
a) play only non-meta builds
b) do endgame bosses like maven, uber atziri, etc

I see this pattern in every thread trying to give positive feedback about changes, people like you jumping in to invalidate their opinions.

You're not special, and killing maven didn't give you any right to have ur feedback given priority.

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Alex2515 wrote:

GGG should start moving away from communicating through Reddit. It's an incredibly bad way to communicate with customers. Any positive discussion about the recent changes are immediately downvoted into oblivion by [Removed by Support]. The only positive threads I've seen about this patch have been seen through searching /all in the controversial section.

Half of the [Removed by Support] on Reddit want PoE to turn into a Chinese Moba P2W fiesta. They don't want to engage with mechanics and cry when their builds can't kill a boss in half a second. They want to speed through maps and play their same OP character they've played for five years.

I was very excited when I saw the pace and the gameplay of PoE 2. I really hope that this [Removed by Support] tantrum does not affect any of the development.

The Reddit echo-chamber has already greatly affected the HC community where constant spouts of 'HC is waaaay too dangerous, don't play that you just get off-screened and 1-shot all the time!!!!!' greatly discourage new players from joining throughout the years. Whereas in reality, they have no idea what they're talking about (as always) and HC has been safer than it ever has been in the past.

I hope that GGG doesn't concede to the circus that is Reddit. I'd hate to see PoE turn into Retail WoW.

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Ardrnobans wrote:

So you can't kill Maven or do endgame yet you think the game should be even harder?

Don't you want to finish the game? Why would you support nerfs if you struggle at doing Maven?

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TheKumquatThaumaturge wrote:

This is some peak lulz.

I hope, just for the spectacle of it, that this forum devolves into a Star Citizen-style community.

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Alex2515 wrote:

GGG should start moving away from communicating through Reddit.

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jerot wrote:

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

Please point me to the place where i say "Slower is better" and that "it was the golden age"

Ill wait here why you do.

Spoiler

Thats the problem with putting words in other peoples mouth.

I'll admit I jumped the gun, but the subtext is pretty heavy.

Additionally, don't you think other games steam charts would show a drop around the same timeframe if it had nothing to do with the PoE patch, say if it was lockdown related as you surmised?

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

100% what it is.

They dont want a good game, what they want is for themselves to be overpowered and if they cant have it theyre gonna throw a fit over it.

If it was about "build variety" you wouldnt give up and fucking quit over these pathetically small nerfs by comparison to the much harsher nerfs of this games past, like the leech nerfs for example.

People are playing the meta. They know nothing but the meta. If the meta they like isnt somehow meta anymore, they cant have fun, even though the build in question is more than likely perfectly fine and usable, just not as strong. If you really enjoyed the build then having some damage or survivability reductions shouldnt impact that decision very much.

"Build diversity" is becoming a buzzword at this point. Build diversity never existed for these people to begin with because it was never about exploring builds, it was about using the same overpowered one for as long as possible to abuse it until GGG changes it.

Has absolutely nothing to do with the lack of buffs for under-performing skills that were hard to use before the nerfs and dumping additional offensive, defensive, mana, and ailment investment requirements on them as well.

Or the fact that those aren't inherently interesting mechanics, just passive checks in the building phase that add nothing to gameplay and restrict build choice. Would be nice to have some interesting options to deal with these things if they're going to be a larger focus of the game. But what am I saying, isn't it thrilling to pop a flask for additional armor, evasion, dodge, or flat damage? Corrupting blood immunity jewel, pinnacle of game design. (Whatever, we'll be getting those option and power back as rewards later, it's all about making more design room for new leagues)

Could it be that the act 1 rework amounted to little more than tweaking numbers and shuffling monsters, when the game needs an actual difficulty overhaul? Threating attacks that aren't just random one-shots in the unreadable clownfiesta that is the current state of combat clarity.

One-shots which totally undermine the idea of building a defensive character when the better option (Outside of HC) for years has been to build as offensively as possible to kill the enemy before they kill you. Reinforced by mechanics with strict timers like Delirium, Legion, Incursion, etc. Which while balanced for zoom zoom numbers, remain unchanged.

Maybe if we had Monsters that are scary not because they have soul eater, faster attacks, haste aura and attack 9,000 times per second, or scary because there are 500 of them on screen, or they because explode on death.


All this to go through the exact same long and grindy endgame 3 leagues in a row with progressively worse rewards each patch. The same endgame from last league where people were starting to get bored of watchstone and maven grind already. You know, the one where people complained about a new heavily RNG boss that was also required for a conditional kill challenge. Kinda like the four new RNG heavy bosses they added this league with their own conditional kill challenge each?

Or maybe they're tired of asking for GGG to do something about the clicking, only to have a league about placing bombs, to open chests, to pick up 20 new currency shards that only function as vendor credit. (Totally not gold BTW, Chris said so) To drop them off on the NPC every map, finding and clicking each shard and re-sorting your inventory before resuming gameplay. All so you can later interact with two of the three NPCs who also take multiple clicks per item reward. In your choice of flavor: "Micro-harvest with extra steps", "Sentient Orb of Chance", or "Overpay or /ignore minigame"

Maybe they're upset how looting and crafting has taken a backseat to farming raw currency for trading. That every system that allows people to make any kind of meaningful progress on their own in a semi-predictable and reliable manner is gutted in favor of making EVERYTHING tradable, and the only balancing measure against trade is the little bit of friction that slowly eats away at your soul when you need to whisper 20 people looking for a single item.

Maybe they want chase items and things to actually get excited about and aim for, instead of putting league and boss drops in the global pool, and decimating endgame rewards like Awakened gems. Remember chase uniques? Kaoms, Shavronnes, Mjollner, Skyforth, Acuity, Disfavor, Starforge, Cospris. Flow Untethered. The only things that held value now are the ones they left in their respective league mechanics with the exception of HH for obvious reasons.

Maybe they're tired of seeing if GGG will finally design a new mechanic that isn't more rewarding to run in Quarry instead of maps for the first 2-4 weeks of the league.

Maybe they're tired of beta testing the game again every league, seeing what flavor of F'd up sirus is this time, what new bugs will appear. Not enjoying invisible and t-posing mobs or being caught in a design limbo between PoE 1 & 2. Where changes like triggered mana costs feel awful now, but are clearly shortcutting to fix holes for the new gem socket system so people aren't running 5 additional 6L trigger setups for free.

Heres a long shot for you, maybe some people even enjoyed harvest without using discord crafts to print perfect items. Because even after playing for two months solid, it was still possible to find incremental upgrades for themselves while mapping and it encouraged working on more crafting projects beyond items you want for your own character.

But nah, you're probably right, we all just want to be OP. I mean that is the genre right?