GGG's Regrets of 3.15 Patch - Player Backlash

Yes, nerfs which supposedly make the game harder for some people.

its funny when you look at the % on poe ninja normal melee builds are almost dead

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ZionHalcyon wrote:

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Regyoulator81 wrote:

Yes they made changes to the game, shock horror. Yes they tweak some changes in the league and will continue to as stated before the league and done so since leagues begun... shock horror. Yes they will continue to tweak the game going forward... Shocked Pikachu face.

Or should I be saying "GGG are out of touch" "GGG destroyed my META build" "GGG destroyed my non META build" "GGG Dont know what they are doing" "GGG caved in to Reddit" "GGG Dont listen to feedback". The list goes on xD

Posts like this are part of the overall problem.

You have this narrative that you are dying to plaster all over the place, so you don't even pay attention to what's actually being said. And that's one of the main issues in the PoE community right now - You have too many people who just want to rant or get in their "zingers", that they aren't even paying attention to who is even left right now making the criticisms.


MOST of the people who were pro-power creep are ALREADY GONE. THEY AREN'T HERE, EXCEPT IN A VERY SMALL NUMBER.

The people who are here are people who are trying to enjoy the game, but have very real, and very VALID concerns. Many of them are trying to even be constructive, both here and on Reddit.

But then you got people who pull crap like you just did - wanting to rant, instead of actually listening. And the funny thing is, you come off exactly like all those people you complained about.

How is that productive?


IT ISN'T.




GGG already came out and essentially admitted they screwed up on the mana and curse issues. They aren't infallible. And guess what? Even good people, like Zizaran, are hating the league, because in general, they don't feel it is overall FUN. He's not someone who's bitching about PoE all the time - in fact, he's one of the most considerate and polite streamers out there.

If even HE is seeing some issues, then its time to put down the damn pitchforks and start actually READING what people are upset about.

The game changes to act 1 were actually pretty good, aside from the mana issues. But there is something to people not feeling the game is fun enough anymore.

And just toxically saying "fine, go play elsewhere" is a dead end - that is what happens to a game when it hemorrhage's players right before it dies - all that are left are die hards screaming "FINE GO, WE DON'T NEED YOU!". Its pretty damn ugly, and while POE isn't there yet, I don't want to see it start that trend either.


Frankly, I think the game as it slows down needs to be more rewarding, and people saying bosses and monsters need to be re-balanced so that being "One shot" isn't much of a thing any more have a VERY valid point. If we are slowing down to be a mechanics-driven league, then it's no fun for players to be killed by a default boss ability - there needs to be a reasonable balance and a happy middle ground found.


At least talking about that and discussing how that could be done is better than watching a bunch of Don Quixote's on the forum, jousting with windmills they think are dragons....

Perfect !

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kalleklovn99 wrote:

the game is now 99% necros playing minion builds well done

more than that, 70% of necromancers are playing ONE build with ONE spectre type (syndicate operatives, because other spectres are not viable anymore lol)

as i've said, build diversity was annihilated. its non-extistent atm.

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typhn wrote:

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

The problem is...

1) You dont have to invest that amount of time at all.
2) You dont have to spent a large quantity of currency at all.
3) If you want to go play zoom zoom god mode, you can go do that on the permanent league.

1) This game relatively to others arpg games require highest engagement and time investment.
2) Amount of currency corelated to your time and engagement invest. I playing only SSF standard, so i use orbs for rerolling only. You can check some of my gear, i spend over 10k orbs for each of my crafted jeveled foil for cyclone build and its not even close to best roll. Never ever rolled tier 1 %dmg mod on any my blue weapon (yes i did use correct ilv.)
3) I play only permanent league, nerfing affect me here too, forcing me to scrap builds and restarting and rendering my previous time investment waste.

Edit: And to be clear i don't have problem that game require lot of time investment, and chances for good crafting are low. I like this, its challenging its ok, i prefer turtle race over rat race. That is why im taking my time in permanent league.
But i have problem with those huge nerfs making whole builds unplayable. Its like punishing players for they time investment and sacrifice. I want reward for my time and effort not punishment.

It really doesnt.

The games progression system is entirely knowledge based. I know what im doing by i wont compromise the way i want to play to be 100% efficient because that isnt fun for me.

You cant sit here and complain "im a casual" when even a casual can pick a meta skill and progress faster than a veteran player like myself simply on the premise of efficiency. Many do.

The fact that awakener 8 was down 3 days into a new league, in addition to people hitting 100 sub 7 days, is a very clear indication that the game doesnt in fact require as much time as people claim it does. Theres also people like the unascended marauder at the top of the HCSSF and RANK 2 there, showing that power scaling is still ridiculous if you choose that path.

Im sorry but the whole budget shit has always been bullshit. Builds should require a minimum amount of investment to be good, they should never be inherently good without investment. That change was 100% a good one. You know what kills build diversity ? Feeling like a dumb ass for playing something that costs 100 times more than something else but doesnt even have half that other builds power, that put zero investment into their character. That is not good game design and it certainly isnt build diversity which is why COC/Triggered skills have been the most popular by far since they were introduced.

The entire idea of triggered cast being more powerful than self cast, alone, is shitty game design that shouldve never happened. Its about time they started reining that in.

Permanent league is affected no where near as hard as temporary leagues. If you cant feel like a god in perm then i dont know what to tell you. If i had access to legacy abyssus and facebreakers alone my current builds DPS would literally be 5x higher just from those two items. You actually have to try and make something feel bad in perm.

As far as i can tell, SSF isnt connected to generic standard league unless im wrong, but that should function the same way as it does in league meaning what you have in SSFS is separate from actual perm. Which means you arent infact playing with anything legacy.

You spend 10k orbs on those foils ? For what ? Alterations ? thats not much of an investment at all for either of those. Also you could craft them for free by simply utilizing harvest. Theres literally zero reason to hand roll items in any league because harvest. The only time that isnt true is if you have a fractured based. Otherwise youre wasting your time and money.

Thats the knowledge gap i mentioned earlier. Youre choosing a method which clearly isnt the best and wasting your time. Not sure if you dont know or are choosing to ignore it but yeah.

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Phrazz wrote:

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typhn wrote:

What is wrong in having godlike, fast like race car build in arpg game? Specially when you have to invest hundreds of hours to reach such godly level.

Nothing is wrong with that, and given 100 hours, that is still more than possible. Hell, people were beating Sirus after ~30 hours this league. Sure, an Average Joe like myself can never compare myself to them, but in 100 hours? 200 hours? Count me in.

You've been around since closed beta. You were here when they nerfed leech "to the ground". You were here when they removed stat sticks for melee players. You were here when they reworked Eldrich Battery, removing the incredible strong MoM characters. You were here when the game was really slow, and 1-3 builds could do the hardest content. You've seen the power creep. The power increse. The speed increase.

For me, it's pretty clear that this couldn't go on, and they needed to pull some breaks. They did. Sure, it's no equilibrium. But to think that was going to happen, is naive at best - especially in one patch. We'll se tweaks. More nerfs. Some buffs - and even maybe some new, powerful additions in the next patch.

I understand that people are upset, because some of their old was aren't working. But PoE is a problem-solving game. We've been given a few problems. Time to solve them.

Yeah, these nerfs are nothing by comparison to the destruction of clearly broken things back in the day either. Im honestly impressed by the fact that such small nerfs by comparison to older ones have been soo negatively received by comparison. When did this community become soo fragile?

But yeah, the true POE spirit is overcoming things. Be inventive and overcome the changes, thats the true POE spirit. When one way is being blocked, you find another way around it.

Just wait until people realize how broken Ward is. Ive already been messing around with it.

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wolfwing wrote:

Except that the reason people went for high damage builds is, too many OHK attacks, that the longer you do a fighter the more likely you are to die from stuff you can't avoid. The game least needs a nerf in damage to be more playable. few stack defense, because it doesn't actually do anything unless your going to near invincible builds. The game needs better balance, want to nerf damage, make defense matter enough that people focus on defense rather then all damage;

Dude I've been saying this for YEARS.

Defense in PoE is horrible.

Dodge is trash (GGG: Hey lets make a skill that uses no weapons at all and depends on a shield for everything...)

Dodge... Yeah eff your defense and your block chance!

While block chance is actually dependable, yet the nodes are spread in ofd spots.

Then the random one shots even with all the mitigation in the world.

I hatr defense in PoE. It really does feel better to just go glass cannon because at least you're getting what you expect. Damage.

Defense nodes are a joke.

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

Just wait until people realize how broken Ward is. Ive already been messing around with it.

Been rolling Ward items for several days now, nearly ready.

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

Just wait until people realize how broken Ward is. Ive already been messing around with it.

and how Ward broken?

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

You spend 10k orbs on those foils ? For what ? Alterations ? thats not much of an investment at all for either of those. Also you could craft them for free by simply utilizing harvest. Theres literally zero reason to hand roll items in any league because harvest. The only time that isnt true is if you have a fractured based. Otherwise youre wasting your time and money.

Thats the knowledge gap i mentioned earlier. Youre choosing a method which clearly isnt the best and wasting your time. Not sure if you dont know or are choosing to ignore it but yeah.

Nice shaming tactic, but this game existed before harvest and synthesis league.