PoE Real money pros and cons

One of the biggest problems that I see in Diablo 3 isn't the RMAH itself. Its the fact that they also nerfed the drop rates thru the floor to basically force people to use it. I think the time spent on implementing an RMAH could and should be used to produce more content and to further polish the game. I think the cries for an RMAH will calm down once a better trading system comes along.

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mysterious_stranger wrote:

With a game like PoE, the content/patches that come out are tailored to the audience, and if that audience cheats, then more time/money is spent either catering to or stopping these people.

You are assuming though that content is designed around the top 1% of players. If that's so, that's poor design. The game should be designed for the widest audience possible. If that 1% (or whatever the percent is that cheat, P2W) blows through the content because they are OP, they're only hurting themselves and their enjoyment of the game. I can't believe that GGG would design the content with those people in mind.

Please, forgive, I did not read the lastseven sites. Just want to put my little opinion here.

PoE is a whole lot more than just a game, it is a Philosophy. Playing without gold, and playing FREE without being forced to pay for items you need more or less in this game is a revolutionary idea.

Look at all these big firms like Blizzard , Bigpoint and others: Greed is their second name. And that is exactly the reason,why their users are running away. What they keep is a few addicts, who rather starve than stop playing these games. But with these users, plus kiddies who are ready to steal their parents money for better items, they are doing their business.

GGG brought up a product that is a 100% clean and ethically correct. Plus you have really fun to play. Without being torn over every single minute you play. If GGG would change its philosophy and sell items for real money, they would destroy everything they have build up to this moment. They would be just another greedy firm, where gamers come by for 2 weeks, just to write on different platforms: "These people lied even worse than any other big firm. And you better keep your fingers offf the so called F2P games.

Sorry if my english is not all correct :))

Greetings....

They screw up the economy for people that want to actually play the game, and it leads to a mass influx of spamming advertisements and attempts to compromise accounts ( to gain the currency/items ).

No thanks.

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piscator123 wrote:

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Punkonjunk wrote:

so "If you can play the most, you should be the best" but "spending money is cheating, spend more time!" makes sense to you?

POE is a serious past time for lots of people here, like all hobbies one doesn't simply pay money to be good at it.

If I want to be a good angler I spend time to fish, I don't go buy a ton of fish from the fish market and claim to be a master fisher.

I never said one who plays the most will be the best, especially you sir becauese you need to have a brain to be the best, but generally speaking, play to win should be the way to go.

You see in here for every 1 fucktard that wants pay 2 win there are 100 whos against it so why bother wasting ur breathe? You want pay 2 win so bad you go play D3.

On the one hand, some times.

On the other hand, you can't be a master fisherman with a stick and an old t-shirt. Just not going to happen. You'll need a decent fishingpole, lures, or live bait.
Live bait is going to cost you money each time you fish. So, that analogy is basically the same thing as pay to win. Not to mention, to continue advancing, you'd eventually need a fishing vessel, etc.

Let's take music. If you want to learn say, the cello, you could buy a stradivarius, but that isn't going to make you rich. You could also buy a 60 dollar walmart guitar, but that's.... not going to help you learn cello. The initial investment is going to be solid, either way, even if you go cheap, and grab a cecilio off ebay, still a solid cost. And even then, as you play more, you will need rosin, maybe a new bow after a while, new strings. Or not, you can keep playing while the equipment degrades, but it will get harder, until it's no longer beneficial to you.



The point is, any analogy you pull out of your butt, I can turn it into an analogy for real money. Because that's how life works, unfortunately.

I wasn't saying PoE should sanction it, either. I was simply defending the point, that it doesn't necessarily ruin the game.

Just that, it's hard to pump time into things you love when other people have more time, and then they are better.


And most importantly, most relevant; a noob who buys currency is probably going to waste it. it's not going to cause inflation any more than noobs overpaying for junk with the one exalt they found. And the noob is more likely to literally pour that currency into rolling trash items, rerolling trash, etc.

All our currency is consumable and delicious. I just don't think we have that much to worry about.

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Yxalitis wrote:

The problem is inflation...

Once some dickwads with $1,000 to throw away decide to buy currency, they start overpaying for everything because they want to win that item NOW (the same mentality that lad them to purchase items in the first place).
Suddenly a 6L is 10 exalted, 20 exalted...

Ideally the people with vast wealth are those high level players who already have the gear they need, and spend their wealth in game, consuming it as intended.

Once everyone with Dad's credit card can buy orbs, that falls apart, and we end up in loony tunes land, where P2W players gloat over their awesome gear...they bought yesteday...

That's why it matters

all I can say is... fuck'n word! to your post. Nailed it.

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Punkonjunk wrote:

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piscator123 wrote:

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Punkonjunk wrote:

so "If you can play the most, you should be the best" but "spending money is cheating, spend more time!" makes sense to you?

POE is a serious past time for lots of people here, like all hobbies one doesn't simply pay money to be good at it.

If I want to be a good angler I spend time to fish, I don't go buy a ton of fish from the fish market and claim to be a master fisher.

I never said one who plays the most will be the best, especially you sir becauese you need to have a brain to be the best, but generally speaking, play to win should be the way to go.

You see in here for every 1 fucktard that wants pay 2 win there are 100 whos against it so why bother wasting ur breathe? You want pay 2 win so bad you go play D3.

On the one hand, some times.

On the other hand, you can't be a master fisherman with a stick and an old t-shirt. Just not going to happen. You'll need a decent fishingpole, lures, or live bait.
Live bait is going to cost you money each time you fish. So, that analogy is basically the same thing as pay to win. Not to mention, to continue advancing, you'd eventually need a fishing vessel, etc.

In fishing it's the knowledge and experience you accumulated through countless hours fishing that'll catch you fish, not the expensive fishing rod, or lure, or livebait, and btw you can make/catch all of those by yourself at 0 cost...

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Punkonjunk wrote:

Let's take music. If you want to learn say, the cello, you could buy a stradivarius, but that isn't going to make you rich. You could also buy a 60 dollar walmart guitar, but that's.... not going to help you learn cello. The initial investment is going to be solid, either way, even if you go cheap, and grab a cecilio off ebay, still a solid cost. And even then, as you play more, you will need rosin, maybe a new bow after a while, new strings. Or not, you can keep playing while the equipment degrades, but it will get harder, until it's no longer beneficial to you.

The cost of a cheap cello and ongoing maintenance can be compared to that of buying extra stash, necessary and affordable to most, it can hardly be compared to buying a mirror of karlandra or buying 100 exalts for hundreds of dollars.

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Punkonjunk wrote:

The point is, any analogy you pull out of your butt, I can turn it into an analogy for real money. Because that's how life works, unfortunately.

Except your argument doesn't make sense

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Punkonjunk wrote:

I wasn't saying PoE should sanction it, either. I was simply defending the point, that it doesn't necessarily ruin the game.

Well maybe RMT will not ruin the game for scumbag fucktards who cannot play a game without RMT, but sure does ruin it for everyone else, at least GGG devs don't like it.

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Punkonjunk wrote:

Just that, it's hard to pump time into things you love when other people have more time, and then they are better.

Maybe you should cut down shifts from mcdonalds so you can play more, it isn't like you are making much anyway.

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Punkonjunk wrote:

And most importantly, most relevant; a noob who buys currency is probably going to waste it. it's not going to cause inflation any more than noobs overpaying for junk with the one exalt they found. And the noob is more likely to literally pour that currency into rolling trash items, rerolling trash, etc.
All our currency is consumable and delicious. I just don't think we have that much to worry about.

Most likely people will buy currency to buy gear, not crafting it themselves, driving up gear prices for anyone else, anway, you considered go back to D3 yet? I think u should.

I will never buy Items for real money. Where is the fun to find or built your own stuff. When i buy me everything i need for my class then i wouldn't play this class anymore, since i have everything what i wanted.

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piscator123 wrote:

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Weird, how this turned into a personal attack, when I was trying to have a rational conversation. Debate maybe? I'm sorry if I offended you somewhere.

I actually work from home for an IT firm, in malware removal and research. I also do freelance work in PC repair, building, and so on.

I make pretty decent money. but sometimes I have to work, instead of play path of exile, even though I'd really like to play!
The biggest improvement, as I've stressed, is better trading. Right now, I'm sitting on an OK pile of currency thats just.... hard to spend. I can't find what I want. And hey, I don't want to overpay for stuff. Sure, I'd REALLY Like a lioneye's glare. Or kaoms heart! But I'm not going to spend 400 dollars on exalted to buy them. Or more, lord, I think both are at least 20+ exalted.

That's just too much! Even if I could buy them for real money, I wouldn't spend that much. 50 bucks on an item is just too much, because as people have said, it's pixels!

Now, I love my pixels. but that doesn't mean I don't know the difference between an 800 dollar item and 800 dollars worth of a new computer, or a piano, or something I will get more use out of. Money into a game doesn't generally get you the same use as things in the real world, no matter how hard you play, and as you've said, it detracts from some of the fun. But that doesn't mean I'm opposed to trading money for time.

You don't have to make it personal, pro. You jelly?

Every time I hear about someone spending RL money to do this, I take it to mean that they couldn't care less if they negatively impact the economy of the game, so long as they get the items they want without actually having to play the game to get them.


It's a shortcut and a cheat.