PoE Real money pros and cons

I think you completely destroy any reason to call it a game.

1- You remove the part where you need to play the game to progress. Whats the point playing in the first place if you can buy your success?

2- Everyone who actually plays the game without buying gear has essentially become a masochist willingly involved doing something the developers let you opt out of. You're always worse off than your moneyed counter gamer. You 'grind' because you love to be worse off than someone with a free wallet.

3- The time to money ratio ALWAYS becomes terrible. If you look at it from a hourly wage rate you're losing out actually attepmting to get the gear legitimately (by hundreds of hours/dollars usually).

4- Game balance is completely destroyed. It just is. Time != Power and no game designer I know of has built a game with seperate time/money elements doing it so each side feels the game is fun either way.

5- You basically design a completely seperate game that *competes* with your game. People call D3 a RMAH sim for a reason. That's because the RMAH competes and steals players from the actual game or 'grind'. most companies struggle to make a good game at all. Making two, essentially like making Blizzard making WoW THEN GW2. Why would you split your playerbase arbitrarily?

6- Your economy goes down the shitter. Its like pre-war germany. An in game loaf of bread is worth 10000 exalts, or $5 of your real money. Regardless of any controls you try to implement. Because third parties will always undercut you.

7- Entrepreneurs will make more money than the game devs. Your selling in game economy? They'll sell it cheaper. You make something only obtainable in game? They'll use bots to obtain and sell it. You make something account only? They'll hack and resell the account. What do the developers get? A thousand tickets complaining of hacked accounts and a new support department. Every patch D3 lowers the price of in game gold, and as soon as they do, the third parties undercut them. Always.

8- Its no longer a game. Involving money into your game economy demeans the point of playing as opposed to shopping. Games are for fun, and if people need to spend money to avoid not having fun, then you've got a serious design flaw in your game. Unless your game is Supermarket Simulator 2013 but personally I'd never play that game.

I had this discussion with my brother a few days ago.

What people don't seem to understand is that things are a lot more different than they use to be 10+ years ago.

Gaming had a lot more enjoyment in it, it wasn't only the enjoyment. I personally feel like the games I played 10+ years ago provided x10 more enjoyment than the games of this time.

When people purchase things, they don't need to do it about shutting kids up or because they have a low self esteem. I look at it as efficiency, since games no longer provide the same amount of enjoyment as they once did. It is easier to buy items and maximise their enjoyment in a game.

I remember playing Diablo 2 for god knows how long and the one thing I truly enjoyed about it was jumping into a game and people were actually laughing, having fun, joking around. When I jump into a Diablo 3 game or PoE game ... nobody talks, nobody laughs, you might find someone who does talk but it isn't the same.

Games have changed, they are not as entertaining as they once were. People would rather spent 1/4 of what they make at work to get that enjoyment they once had.

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Punkonjunk wrote:

so "If you can play the most, you should be the best" but "spending money is cheating, spend more time!" makes sense to you?

POE is a serious past time for lots of people here, like all hobbies one doesn't simply pay money to be good at it.

If I want to be a good angler I spend time to fish, I don't go buy a ton of fish from the fish market and claim to be a master fisher.

I never said one who plays the most will be the best, especially you sir becauese you need to have a brain to be the best, but generally speaking, play to win should be the way to go.

You see in here for every 1 fucktard that wants pay 2 win there are 100 whos against it so why bother wasting ur breathe? You want pay 2 win so bad you go play D3.

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malvar wrote:

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piscator123 wrote:

Performance enhancing drugs are prevalent in professional sports, so why don't the sports ruling bodies just legalise these drugs?

Because they know the moment they legalise it no one will watch their shit any more, except maybe a few FUCKTARDS who think cheating is perfectly fine.

Actually those drugs are banned because if they were not, every player would be forced to take them to stand a chance in the competition

Yes, and if RMT isn't banned here top players will be forced to compete with scumbags who just buys all the godly gear and maps, a battle they can't win, might as well get rid of the ladder.

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malvar wrote:

Personally i think that artificially enhancing the player's abilities would make a sport even more spectaculous cause it would raise the game to an even more spectaculous level. Just take any sport and imagine the players to be twice as good at what they are doing and then tell me it would be less fun to watch that!

Sir, i don't know what twisted universe you come from but last time I checked pro sports drug cheats are despised and hated. Who the fuk will pay to watch a bunch of druggies play sports? Probably same people who love cock/dog fights but they aren't sane people.

It in no way affects me if people want to cheat or P2W. This isn't an MMORPG like WoW, your gear doesn't change my gameplay one bit. If people want to blow their money to get better gear, why should it bother me.. as long as it doesn't affect the devs having to retune the game because the P2W guys complain it's too easy now.

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piscator123 wrote:

Sir, i don't know what twisted universe you come from but last time I checked pro sports drug cheats are despised and hated. Who the fuk will pay to watch a bunch of druggies play sports? Probably same people who love cock/dog fights but they aren't sane people.

Like you said, drug cheats are despised but if anyone would do it, it would not be cheating anymore. I believe this would make a difference to many people.
Also i wonder if it's sane at all to pay just to watch other people do sports... ;)

And you can't compare this to dog fights, those are cruel because dogs are cute. Humans on the other hand...

The game seems like it's tuned for this already with the drop rates. Exalteds aren't much of a crafting item when it takes 500+ hours of gameplay to get one to drop. That's the sort of drop rate I'd expect if a company was trying to get me into their RM shop.

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Ursadorable wrote:

It in no way affects me if people want to cheat or P2W. This isn't an MMORPG like WoW, your gear doesn't change my gameplay one bit. If people want to blow their money to get better gear, why should it bother me.. as long as it doesn't affect the devs having to retune the game because the P2W guys complain it's too easy now.

In an MMO game like this people who cheat or P2W DO affect your game. Even if you play all the time single player. With a game like PoE, the content/patches that come out are tailored to the audience, and if that audience cheats, then more time/money is spent either catering to or stopping these people.

Same as patches. If they made a legitimate RMAH, that takes time and effort that leaves bugs, glitches and content waiting whilst they design and implement it. You don't need to watch some streams or follow the ladder to be effected by P2W.

Having said that by the sounds of it you don't *care* if they P2W and cheat. Which is a fair enough point.

TL:DR

OP wants the game to have a RMAH


Go play D3 OP, see how that economy is

I've witnessed making RMT legal and supported by game publishers in the previous game I played.

It resulted badly. (quit that garbage)

I've also seen D3.

It resulted badly. (don't wanna play that garbage)

So what exactly would make RMT a positive thing in PoE?

Nothing.