PoE Real money pros and cons

D3 was proof enough if real-money-trading and ARPG mix well,
they don`t.

It doesn`t matter if some folks use unofficial sites...which is in itself stupid enough..the only driving game-element of ARPGs is the loot..now if you just buy that shit..well, have at it..lol, but having such a service implemented ruins the whole grind4gear aspect,
cause people always keep in their mind -> the item they grind for -> just one $-click away.
Even if they will never buy gear, it sticks in the back of the grinding-treadmill.

Now, the argument "People do it anyways so lets make it official" is just retarded, sorry but it is.

-So, people murder sometimes other people, well just make it legit and let the killing-sprees begin?
-So, masses of people avoid taxes, just make it legit, so that no nation can further sustain itself?
-So, people steal all the time, just make it legit....
-hacks in games? Happens all the time, just give out the /godmode already!


perhaps you see ur flawed logic OP?
Just cause some honks abuse rules doesn`t mean you should just drop the rules.

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Axebane wrote:

I'm about to open up a can of truth:

I hate pay2win. I hate the idea of somebody bringing real-world wealth into a video game to gain power over other players.

HOWEVER, consider this: The only place where that really matters is in a competitive environment. People don't like pay2win because they don't want someone beating them in a competition just because they used the power of their wallet. But the only really competitive environments in PoE are the temporary leagues. 1 hour, 2 hours, 3 hours or even 1 week are simply not enough time for the "real-money-trade" websites to amass enough wealth to really make a difference in that competition.

So, the impact can really only be felt in the Default and Hardcore leagues. The competitive leagues will be almost completely immune to it.

Think about it.

This is assuming GGG can make those competitive leagues lucrative and attractive enough to turn Default into the Legacy-style graveyard it was meant to be.

They're not there yet.

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Reclaw wrote:

Now, the argument "People do it anyways so lets make it official" is just retarded, sorry but it is.

Yeah, I NEVER understood that argument. When Blizzard used that argument as reasoning for adding the RMAH to Diablo 3, I was shocked. It's the stupidest justification someone can possibly come up with.

"peeps r gunna do dat anyway hurrrrrrrr"

Right, well then. People are going to rape other people. By that logic, the police should stop trying to apprehend rapists and never try to put them in prison. Also, they should set up "rape booths" at all police stations where you can go get some rape for $100. It would even generate revenue for the police department. That's a win-win situation, right? People get their rape, and the police get a cut of the proceeds so they can do even better police work in the future.

Seems legit.

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Punkonjunk wrote:

Uh.... most companies actively try to stop it. I mean, I fully agree with you, nyruami, in principle, that there is TONS of money to be made, and what you describe is possible, but I don't think it's the simplest. The simplest is for the company to either try and stop it and fail, giving up, or take part.

Here is the problem. Most companies try to activley stop it.... Well, most companies SAY they try to actively stop it. Every 4-6 month, Blizzard posts on their WoW-website that they have just wavebanned 1000s of RMT-accounts taking 100s of millions of gold out of the system. Last time I saw such a post they even claimed it should have been more than a billion.

So, I was curious, such a hit normally only produces one result, you can check drug business for it is more or less the same there, prices rise as if there is no tommorow every time after customs/police seized a big load, so I went over to those RMT-sites just to find.... nothing. Not even the slightest move upwards. Again, this may have 2 possible reasons,

a.) There are multi-billions of gold left on RMT-accounts not detected by Blizzard, so the hit was actually pretty weak, even though it sounded to be hard.
or
b.) There has never been a hit. Blizzard justs posts those messages to create the illusion they care about gold-selling.

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For example, blizzard takes a cut of sales, and like you say, they could also take a cut of anything they want: selling godly items for 250 bucks a pop, easily. The auction house doesn't identify the seller at all, it wouldn't be hard to have a very small staff maintain something exactly like this, a few shill accounts managed by a small team with item creation privileges, that aren't logged in any way. That money could simply be fed straight into RMAH profits without too many eyes turning, and wouldn't need much staffing to be legitimate sales without having to bring anyone else in who could leak the usage this way.

On the other hand, blizzard actively bans botters. Take a paw through blizzhackers and the like, the shady bot sites. These guys do get hit, and in waves. Why?

These are two completely different stories. Banning botters that use a software publicly known creates additional revenues, as the majority of those botters tend to buy a new account immediately after the old one was banned. Check the botter forums, they are full of such stories.

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Reclaw wrote:

D3 was proof enough if real-money-trading and ARPG mix well,
they don`t.

It doesn`t matter if some folks use unofficial sites...which is in itself stupid enough..the only driving game-element of ARPGs is the loot..now if you just buy that shit..well, have at it..lol, but having such a service implemented ruins the whole grind4gear aspect,
cause people always keep in their mind -> the item they grind for -> just one $-click away.
Even if they will never buy gear, it sticks in the back of the grinding-treadmill.

Now, the argument "People do it anyways so lets make it official" is just retarded, sorry but it is.

-So, people murder sometimes other people, well just make it legit and let the killing-sprees begin?
-So, masses of people avoid taxes, just make it legit, so that no nation can further sustain itself?
-So, people steal all the time, just make it legit....
-hacks in games? Happens all the time, just give out the /godmode already!


perhaps you see ur flawed logic OP?
Just cause some honks abuse rules doesn`t mean you should just drop the rules.

You mix up here. Yes, there are murderers. About one in a million on average. So why legitimate something 999,999 out of a million don´t do?

The masses(!!) that avoid taxes (in an illegal way) are about 250-300 in a million, same argument as in the line above.

Players that buy gold? According to studies 60-65%. If there were 650.000 murderers per million, it would be legal. As the law always reflects the behaviour of the people. Don´t know where you are from, but in europe it´s nowadays legal to use oneways in the wrong direction if you go by bike. This has been illegal 20 years ago, but 80% of the bikers did it anyway, so, as this has turned out to be a behaviour of the majority, the laws changed.

Actually I find it funny that these discussions are always led as if noone, except a tiny minority would ever think of buying ingame currency. Get used to it, itßs the majority doing it, out of the 60-70 posters in this thread 40 already have bought ingame currency at least once.

RMT-sites do exist for a reason, it´s like the question with the hen and the egg, just in this case there is no question, first there were players demanding to buy ingame currency, then RMT-sites came up. Today there a literally thousands of RMT-sites all prospering and netting a total revenue of more than 7 billion US$, do you really think they could get that amount of money from a tiny fraction of the players?

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Charan wrote:

This is assuming GGG can make those competitive leagues lucrative and attractive enough to
turn Default into the Legacy-style graveyard it was meant to be. They're not there yet.

*emphasis mine
Could you expound on what you mean by this?

i don't fully agree with RMT, but must admit I've spent a few bucks on D3's RMAH just because i occasionally got absolutely tired of getting int and str on my demon hunter's drops and thought 3 USD to get out of a rut would help keep me sane and the RMAH button just kept staring and staring at me...

this may be a controversial idea and it's one i actually hope GGG WON'T implement since it goes against its very ethos

to take out the issue of RMT from our leagues, create additional leagues that specifically cater to these players where vendors can sell all items for cash and let them go screw up their own playground with their hyper inflation. also, would add that items obtained from these RMT leagues should not be postable in these forums since we wouldn't want to know about it. this should move all RMT players to these RMT leagues and leave us normal players alone.

weird analogy, but it's kinda like where i'm in, singapore. prostitution is very much frowned upon here, but we know that if it's banned entirely, people will always find a way and there's no foolproof way of catching culprits. so specific areas are set up here where this activity is kinda-allowed. so people who would have used such services illegally in an uncontrolled manner now have a place to go do what they want to do while the rest of us live our lives undisturbed by their actions.