Petition/Request for GGG to show that they actually read the official forums and not just reddit

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Kulze wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

Because it isn't really an answer to feedback, it's only a game mechanic explanation

Which still begs the question of 'Are they actually actively considering suggestions at all or not?'.

While the answer is quite surprising it doesn't show us anything at all in regards to that... and even if they start that's something which has to be done repeatedly and not only as few short days to appease the frustration in the forum.

Why would they even read this section if they were not considering feedback at all ?

Of course they do, to some extent.

They don't post much here because there is little to do as of game mechanic explanation ( as it isn't the proper section for that usually ).

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Fruz wrote:

Why would they even read this section if they were not considering feedback at all ?

Of course they do, to some extent.

They don't post much here because there is little to do as of game mechanic explanation ( as it isn't the proper section for that usually ).

Because in one part they have to look out for exactly the part which has been shown: Missing clarity when implementing new mechanics.

And lets face it, the description of their new penetration (which is more penetration then the actual penetration) is more then wonky, that warrants a reason to clarify it, probably the only reason we saw an official from GGG posting at all, most likely even.

And most importantly why there is a reason for them to post: It gives acknowledgment, even if it's not implemented later on. If generic answers like 'Thanks for the suggestion, we've added it to our pool of possible things for the future' or 'Thanks for the suggestion, this is something we've already looked into and are actively working on solving' is written then that eases many people.

And not only that, doing something in this direction also causes those who are just disillusioned by the lack of communication to actively engage with the forum again. Not everyone is as stubborn to simply write their thoughts down without even remotely knowing if they have any impact at all. It's demotivating to put forth effort to try and better something and never know if those efforts are even valued... or just utterly ignored unless it's to clarify something which has already been done.

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A prime example to warrant that is for example trade. A vast amount of active people in the forum are unhappy with it. Their only statement to the issue was 'we don't intend to do something about that now'. Which... plainly spoken is more then lackluster. Is there a specific reason? What about the concerns stated by the community over the YEARS since the Manifesto? Are the looking into changing something and haven't found a decent solution they're happy with yet? Or are the simply not caring?

Those are all questions which can be solved with such generic answers, respective to how much effort they invest into any specific topic.

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Kulze wrote:

Because in one part they have to look out for exactly the part which has been shown: Missing clarity when implementing new mechanics.

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If generic answers like 'Thanks for the suggestion, we've added it to our pool of possible things for the future' or 'Thanks for the suggestion, this is something we've already looked into and are actively working on solving' is written then that eases many people.

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A prime example to warrant that is for example trade. A vast amount of active people in the forum are unhappy with it. Their only statement to the issue was 'we don't intend to do something about that now'. Which... plainly spoken is more then lackluster. Is there a specific reason? What about the concerns stated by the community over the YEARS since the Manifesto? Are the looking into changing something and haven't found a decent solution they're happy with yet? Or are the simply not caring?

Those are all questions which can be solved with such generic answers, respective to how much effort they invest into any specific topic.

You do realize you are contradicting yourself?

GGG has given a very simple, clear as day answer about the trade issue, it was never good enough for those who dont like the current trading system and never stopped anybody from bitching about it.

You are a prime example, showing that your suggestion doesnt work and never will work.

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Orbaal wrote:

You do realize you are contradicting yourself?

GGG has given a very simple, clear as day answer about the trade issue, it was never good enough for those who dont like the current trading system and never stopped anybody from bitching about it.

You are a prime example, showing that your suggestion doesnt work and never will work.

First of all, GGG usually at least gives a sort of explanation to their actions, they did regarding lab-enchantments, they also are clearly working on balancing the game. They also gave quite in-depth reasons for their performance-issues, those are the biggest concerns of the game in the current state. Balance, performance, lab, trade.

Oh wait, in my list there is one part missing with proper explanations, right? The trade part.
GGG's statement to that: After sitting together we decided to do nothing.
No explanation, no reasoning, nothing, it was an utterly empty word. It didn't acknowledge the issues people had, it didn't given a definite answer if they will work on it in the future, if it's something which is just not possible right now with their resources or of they just don't give a fuck plainly spoken.
The sole exception there.

That's exactly the reason why I'm suggesting those generic answers in threads which become a bit bigger (2-3 pages) or assorted suggestions which GGG discerns MIGHT provide useful sometime in the future.

The LAST proper statement about trade which gave ANY sort of reason was the trade-Manifesto... and that's basically ages ago in the big-picture of the game-development and at parts heavily outdated and contradictory with their behavior afterwards. Hence an update is necessary... which isn't provided.

By giving statements in the suggestion-forum at least that would be solved, bot alas... that's not the case.

So no, what I described which would be good to happen and what you gave as an example are in no way the same thing. 'We're looking into that' is a clear sign that they are concerned. 'We don't intend to do something' on the other hand is the same as saying 'Haha, we don't give a fuck, no matter what people say'. That's quite a clear and obvious difference.
Viable answers would've been 'we haven't found a good solution yet' 'our resources only allow us to start looking into it after 4.0' or even a re-work of the former Manifesto to bring it up to the current state. None of that was done though.

They arent obliged to explain anything.
They dont need to explain everything.

I get thats what you want. I get that not what you get. And I get thats why you are frustrated.

At this point you have 2 options:
1. Deal with it
2. Demand the world needs to change to satisfy you


One option is for the adults in the room, the other one for kids.
Choose wisely.

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Orbaal wrote:

They arent obliged to explain anything.
They dont need to explain everything.

I get thats what you want. I get that not what you get. And I get thats why you are frustrated.

At this point you have 2 options:
1. Deal with it
2. Demand the world needs to change to satisfy you


One option is for the adults in the room, the other one for kids.
Choose wisely.

First of all I'm here to voice my opinion as this is a suggestion-forum, shutting up and not doing anything is counter-productive for that.

Secondly... no, they don't, you're right. That makes them a fairly dumb company though, especially in the gaming-sector. Proper communication and community-building is what makes decent games to great games.

GGG HAD a great community, one which is sadly falling apart quite a bit. Many old faces left, a few core-members stay... smaller streamers? I barely see any reliably playing the game after Month 1, even less after month 2 of a league. Some even started to skip leagues entirely in favor of other games to stream.

That's obviously bad for exposure. Combine that with the quite plenty amount of people in the suggestion-section alone which stated they won't support GGG via their 'supporter-pack' (which still is a dumb term for buying MTX, they aren't a kickstarter anymore or a charity, they are a big-ass company now) that quite much shows something is going fairly wrong.

Proper communication solves a ton of those issues... and what they do regarding their size and resources simply isn't sufficient as a indie-company which went grand-scale, they lost what made them great as a indie-company and they went into the rows of bigger publishers. And as we've seen... they all for some obscure (hah! :p) reason seem to struggle, surprisingly all for the same.

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Kulze wrote:

First of all I'm here to voice my opinion as this is a suggestion-forum, shutting up and not doing anything is counter-productive for that.

I never said you cant voice your opinion. Do as you wish - I mean it.
I said you cant expect nor demand replies. Thats not how this works and its not because GGGs community management is bad, its because this is the internet.
Dumb people exist and you have to be aware of this fact as a company.

Nowadays anything you state publicly can and will be used against you in the court of public opinion. If you dont want to be crucified publicly for whatever reason, you avoid giving anyone a reason.
Dont ask me how we got here, but this is where we are at.

You cant blame them trying to avoid playing a game they cant possibly win.

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Kulze wrote:

Secondly... no, they don't, you're right. That makes them a fairly dumb company though, especially in the gaming-sector. Proper communication and community-building is what makes decent games to great games.

See above. Got nothing to add here.
I get where you are coming from and I do respect that.
Its just not how it works today. Maybe it did work like that some years ago.
Not anymore.

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Orbaal wrote:

You cant blame them trying to avoid playing a game they cant possibly win.

The issue with not playing that game is loosing by default though.

True, but at least it doesnt cost money this way ;)


If you cant win, cut your losses and move on.

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Orbaal wrote:

True, but at least it doesnt cost money this way ;)


If you cant win, cut your losses and move on.

This isn't really about winning, This is not a game or a competition, This thread is about something so very important to me from the very core of my being.. from my earliest dreams and ideals that make me who i am today.

I am a content creator and someone who has dreamed to create joy and fun for others most of my life and the way that i personally try to conduct myself holds those who consume my content with a high level of respect, Many times i am forced to make my own decisions and even say no to my customers or users because its my responsibility to create and manage the content and make sure that it is balanced as well as fun and sustainable.

I feel for GGG having such a massive userbase to keep happy and by no means is any decision they make these days likely easy even on some of the smallest changes but that cannot stop them from communicating and if it does then they have fallen prey to a curse that plagues many creators, a feeling of uncertainty and fear.. and a lack of confidence that can essentially destroy you.

Sometimes you have to stand up and face the storm head on no matter how much your brain is fighting you to run and hide or seek shelter.

Saturday im going to do something that terrifies the crap out of me and i cant go into details here because it would violate the forum rules but regardless of my brain screaming saying don't do it, stay safe in your little room i am going to put my shoes on and walk out that door and get it done.

Having this community's support is WORTH IT GGG, Don't let fear stop you from doing what is the right thing.. Do it on your own terms but do not hesitate to step out that doorway, We're right there waiting for you and the future that could be written is in your hands.

I'll end this with one of my favorite quotes..

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I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past, I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone, there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

-Frank Herbert