Petition/Request for GGG to show that they actually read the official forums and not just reddit

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Tainted_Fate wrote:

why would they read the forums? reddit is more convinient to read and it has upvoting system so it is very easy to differentiate useful posts out of usual trash posts from forum trolls and other users that are visiting this forum desperately trying to fix their low self-esteem.

Reddit also has some real problems with informative/ mechanical explanations often being downvoted etc. From my limited experience it highly favours meme/meta opinions.
Chris has said the developers etc often dont want to read the forums since they are largely negative and i can understand that. At the same time it would be useful for a different perspective if the forum trends could be summarized to help influence the game.

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Tainted_Fate wrote:

why would they read the forums? reddit is more convinient to read and it has upvoting system so it is very easy to differentiate useful posts out of usual trash posts from forum trolls and other users that are visiting this forum desperately trying to fix their low self-esteem.

That's plainly spoken... utter BS, and I can also easily give an example why:

The upvote-system you're speaking about is EASILY abused. It doesn't differentiate between quality content or bad content, it ONLY differentiates between the opinion of the masses versus the opinion of the single minds.

And as history has shown very very often... the mass commonly is quite dumb, what might seem like a great idea at first doesn't have to be, and what might seem like an utterly stupid suggestion might also be one of the best to do.

Hence such a system works exactly COUNTER to that, which... obviously is really really bad long-term, best way to cause issues.

But well, we don't have any issues right now, right? Not like singular people spoke about some very obvious things (Lab, trade, balance, leech/on-hit mechanics, itemization progression and so on) long before it became the common opinion because it simply went out of control so far that even the dumbest prick can see that something is off.

But eh, Reddit for life, right? Only good things come from there... /sarcasm

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Tainted_Fate wrote:

i haven't read the whole topic. you say that reddit's upvote system is being abused, but its your opinion and what actual facts do you have to prove it? every popular reddit thread was on point. flasks, lootboxes. there was a topic about changing the name of "gems plus" to something else, heavily upvoated. it worked. feedback system works, it doesnt matter what platform players are using. reddit is more convinient. whats wrong with that?

It's bad enough that you need 'proof' for something obvious. You just need to THINK about ways to abuse it and you'll find more then plenty possible ones.

You see, a reason for why some forums usually go with account-age as a requirement to post somewhere or vote for something... as well as having actually done any kind of payment. That's done to reduce to possible ways to abuse the system.

In Reddit? Make an account with a new e-mail, go in, downvote or upvote. That's ALL you need. Don't like a specific opinion? Good thing a simple bot can create a few hundred e-mails and use them for downvoting a specific topic into non-existance or the other way around, promote a specific topic until it stands out.

Also... as you provided really well with you 'Gems plus' example is that people on Reddit often focus on absolutely useless top-layer stuff rather then going in detail. Why? Because the common person lacks the intelligence to understand deep complex interactions and will easily misunderstand the point of a specific post. That's what we see often in the forums as well, when was the last time you saw a wall-of-text with plenty of in-depth examples written down and then afterwards discussed properly? The last time I saw it was me doing it personally and fucking up badly, and you know what? One of the main intelligent posters in the forum pointed it out while everyone else just stood silent because they couldn't be bothered to read the post in the first place or simply didn't understand the discussion at hand at all.

So, Reddit is mostly promoting shallow worthless posts which will likely take up time much better used in other areas for the devs... but sadly that's what GGG seems to go for.

still hopeful, exile?

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Xystre wrote:

still hopeful, exile?

YUP! There is still plenty of hope for GGG if they don't go down the road of bethesda completely ignoring their fans and people who supported their company for many years... POE is more unique in that it is largely player funded as far as i know.

Without the contributions of all of those players they would not likely exist right now, The request in this thread is only asking if they do read the forums and i think its not too unreasonable.

GGG should use ALL mediums they can to reach their fans but these are the official forums so i would hope they would be watching these forums a bit more closely.

And as some have mentioned they could use their own metrics to sort some of this feedback not only by account age but a ton of other data to create categories such as (new player) (experienced player) (hardcore player)etc etc and likely get some actually useful data out of it to put into action in future changes to the game.
^Without linking accounts this is only possible on their official forums.

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Kulze wrote:

It's bad enough that you need 'proof' for something obvious.

Well excuse the scientific method..

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Kulze wrote:

Why? Because the common person lacks the intelligence to understand deep complex interactions and will easily misunderstand the point of a specific post. That's what we see often in the forums as well, when was the last time you saw a wall-of-text with plenty of in-depth examples written down and then afterwards discussed properly? The last time I saw it was me doing it personally and fucking up badly, and you know what? One of the main intelligent posters in the forum pointed it out while everyone else just stood silent because they couldn't be bothered to read the post in the first place or simply didn't understand the discussion at hand at all.

Still sane exile?


Edit:
/signed. Love to see them both places. Reddit for the memes and visibility and forum for more official post, guides, wall of text post etc.

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michwad wrote:

/signed. Love to see them both places. Reddit for the memes and visibility and forum for more official post, guides, wall of text post etc.

Thanks for supporting the thread and understanding that its a good thing to be on both mediums, I would never ask them to ignore reddit or any other platform that could potentially reach a lot of the players.

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SilentSymphony wrote:

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michwad wrote:

/signed. Love to see them both places. Reddit for the memes and visibility and forum for more official post, guides, wall of text post etc.

Thanks for supporting the thread and understanding that its a good thing to be on both mediums, I would never ask them to ignore reddit or any other platform that could potentially reach a lot of the players.

This!
The solution is simply that.

Coomunity management is too often underrated by most companies...

Well not quite exactly what I'm hoping for at the very least here is a post by someone at GGG here in the feedback forums.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2687014/page/2

Considering the topic there that was quite nice of them to comment on such a small thing.

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SilentSymphony wrote:

Well not quite exactly what I'm hoping for at the very least here is a post by someone at GGG here in the feedback forums.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2687014/page/2

Considering the topic there that was quite nice of them to comment on such a small thing.

Because it isn't really an answer to feedback, it's only a game mechanic explanation

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Fruz wrote:

Because it isn't really an answer to feedback, it's only a game mechanic explanation

Which still begs the question of 'Are they actually actively considering suggestions at all or not?'.

While the answer is quite surprising it doesn't show us anything at all in regards to that... and even if they start that's something which has to be done repeatedly and not only as few short days to appease the frustration in the forum.