Path of Exile and p2w

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The_Great_Alex wrote:

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Shagsbeard wrote:

No. Ask me a hard one. "Winning" isn't defined by how fast you gear up, or by how fast you do anything. Both players in your scenario have played the game and enjoyed it. Neither were prohibited from any activity. Neither was given a better character.

In order to accumulate currency to play the build u like which is cabale for endgame, for example

Like i talking with trees my god

cabale builds are made in SSF HC with 4 tabs every day.

This thread again? Must be a new month.

Stash space is such a massive QoL indeed. What is "winning" in PoE is debateable but it's definitely a pay to get essential features.

One idea I see knocking around now and again, is "why not have Credits or vouchers for stash tabs and mtx drop from in-game encounters"?

pros:

--Sound freemium game design principles say the ideal goal is that all aspects of the game are potentially available without spending a dime.

--It removes barriers to long-term play for players who, for whatever reason, can't or won't use online transactions to buy things for virtual games. E.g. certain countries, younger players without active credit, etc. I had a farming buddy back in Betrayal who was from Kosovo. He tried to buy some tabs, found out visa didn't work or it didn't recognize his billing address or somesuch. He contacted the cc company and the bank and they both said "Our records don't show that Kosovo is a real country. Use Serbia as your listed country" and that was him noping the fuck out of online purchases.
Now, if shaper or Atziri or Hillock dropped stash tabs, he might still be playing.


--You can offer a wider variety of mtx this way! Things too small to warrant selling in the mtx shop (a variation on a forest tree stump, or a dead wheelie dude-thingy from the Climb, or a pet shoggoth that drops from Elder etc) could drop from rare or unique monsters in a related area.

Cons:

--Less money obv.

--More mindless farming rather than enjoying the game

I'm all for making sure the bug fixers get paid. But having a few ordinary tabs drop late in the acts or sommink should help a LOT. I would imagine the people who are going to buy tabs skew towards the 6-12 extra tabs and not the "huge encyclopedic tabsystem including at least 2 of every designated special-item tab and several quads". And farming Atziri for ordinary tabs might snip off the trailing end of the tab buyers. But the big spenders will STILL buy currency/map/specialty sorters, quads, etc.

And the folks who spend hours poring over hideouts getting them JUST SO, are probably still going to buy crazy awesome doodads and portal reskins.

My stash for Legion.

Without the currency tab, it's a mess. However, the search field helps a lot, and I memorize where my currency items are overtime, so it doesn't really become an issue.

The premium tab though... that helped me the most. I was going to use Procurement / Acquisition, or whatever. Then just realized, eh I could just spend several bucks and be done with it.

Definitely pay for convenience.

I can see the other side of the argument though.. it's just "winning in a game" means different things to different people. That's why these kind of threads will always exist I think

No one is denying that tabs are cool. You want them. That's natural.

What we're debating is P2W. Tabs cost money and they're things you want when you play this game for any length of time. That doesn't make them P2W.

$3

I swear, the world is coming to an end.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

No one is denying that tabs are cool. You want them. That's natural.

What we're debating is P2W. Tabs cost money and they're things you want when you play this game for any length of time. That doesn't make them P2W.

lol

When >95% of players playing endgame buy stash tabs, that is not just because they're "cool". They offer a necessity that isn't possible otherwise. If you tried farming for a HH this league without premium stash tabs the reality is that you will -never- obtain it unless you get unbelievably lucky and have one drop. The time you waste logging into mules, juggling stuff on the forums to make it show on the trade site, etc slows your farming down so much that the price of HH will rise faster than you can farm for it. I mean fuck it.. people who optimize the farming strat can farm 600 chaos per hour with the time saved with extra stash tabs and they STILL sometimes lose ground to the HH price hike, and yet here you are claiming that it's "just" a convenience tool.

This is just one of many examples. This whole thing where people think stash tabs don't have p2w elements is simply a dishonest facade for people who are in circumstances where they simply can't spend money at the moment. At the end of the day, they will find out.

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yamface wrote:

This whole thing where people think stash tabs don't have p2w elements is simply a dishonest facade

...Or you know, just people disagreeing with you. God forbid.

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