Path of Exile and p2w

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Example257 wrote:

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putblug wrote:

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Example257 wrote:

the only things you can buy are either cosmestics or QoL stuff BUT THEY'RE NOT NEEDED.

By this logic, xp boosts or even straight up buying currency would also be qol and not p2w because you are only spending money to circumvent the grind needed to acquire them.

nope. That would be clearly and advantage and p2w to get to a goal (max level, better gear etc) faster by spending real money. Cosmetics and "not needed" stash tabs are no p2w, get the difference

Put 2 absolutly identical humans in from of monitors with poe

Give 1 of them 50 premium tabs

Say other one to create mules to keep his stuff

Give tthem the same hour per day to play

Whos gonna get geared faster? Whos gonna be mapping faster? Whos gonna make lots currency with trades?

What was the difference between them?

One of them bought prem tabs

And he won in the race like 100 times faster

So in other words, he bought his win? Or no?

No. Ask me a hard one. "Winning" isn't defined by how fast you gear up, or by how fast you do anything. Both players in your scenario have played the game and enjoyed it. Neither were prohibited from any activity. Neither was given a better character.

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putblug wrote:

In that case selling currency would also be okay and not p2w.

Comparing stash tabs to RMT now, are we? If you can't see the difference between stash tabs and directly buying power, I don't know what to tell you, dude. The POWER you get from stash tabs are greatly over exaggerated in here. It's like the moment you have 200 stash tabs, you have 100 of them filled with OP gear in seconds, selling right away. Stash tabs don't magically spawn OP gear.

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The_Great_Alex wrote:

So in other words, he bought his win? Or no?

What did he win, exactly? As others have said, they both got to enjoy the entirety of the game. One choose to pay, one didn't.

OP said everything, as there's more content with each league, and tabs are expensive.

Some say that they are cheap because less than the price of a game. Why would we care what the price of a game is ? It's a stash in a game, I won't pay for this within a game that's supposed to be Free to play.

It looks more and more like a scam you know. Like a freemium, pay-to-win, or whatever you wanna call it. It's simple, really. You enjoy your free game, you get your own habits, and a few times a year you pay for your "less than a game" advantage, but it adds up. You take your time to forget your burnt credit card, but it adds up anyway.

We often say free to play games are the most expensive, and that's true from my experience. We just have no idea what we're doing.

You have to understand that most of funds comes from rich people. I mean, look at 400$+ supporter packs. Rings a bell ? But it's an IRL economic model, it's a fact, F2P are financed by rich people, not by a lot of average people.

But I'm an average people. I'll never get enough money to casually buy tabs, or a support pack. So the player experience for me is shitty because I can clearly feel the disadvantage I get from :

- not having enough tabs
- not having a currency tab
- not having a maps tab

When you get to the endgame, you just feel like a fool, while streamers make tons of ingame money with their fancy tabs.

So, yeah, it's clearly a Pay-to-win now, and P2W is, of course, a characteristic of bad design, OP. You can say it. No need to muddy the waters. It clearly makes the game worse for most people. Well, the rich don't care do they. And they are the one really supporting the game.

So...it doesnt like it's gonna change anytime soon. But we can vote though. Like IRL, we can choose to play well-designed games, and abandon the others.

You know what's funny : Look at the posts. People who bought tons of supporter packs are the ones who will never recognize that it's a P2W. Coincidence ?

If you can't afford $20/year you're far from "average". Mow a lawn. Bingo. You have enough to buy a tab.

If you're just holding out on principle, GGG is obviously going to write you off as a small loss. Worth it.

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Phrazz wrote:

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cjimaras wrote:

More tabs-more trading-more currency-better gear-uber elder down.

Yes, more tabs will magically increase the number of valuable items you find. It is known.

Are you playing competitive? Are you racing for Uber Elder/level 100 each league? If so, maybe stash tabs can be considered P2W. Maybe. But in a PvE environment? Hardly.

Lol, the logic here. If it's not competitive, it's not P2W ?
Who cares about average players, right ?

if time lurking or posting has taught you something should be this.. the more you read the same names posting on the same subject over and over it's clear their position but yet they try and try.. like good "mr anderson" they think they are to "outcome" the other unpopular opinion..

I could link you some threads around here and it wouldnt be different, nothing different at all from what I read from the same names..

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achmoye wrote:

Lol, the logic here. If it's not competitive, it's not P2W ?
Who cares about average players, right ?

I am an average player, so I care a lot. I'm just saying that the POWER(?) you get from stash tabs are so minimal, that the average player, with average skill and average gear acquisition isn't going to be be at a HUGE disadvantage versus he's peers. A competitive player, on the other hand, who plays to WIN, may be. I don't really know, as I don't view RNG-filled games as very competitive-friendly.

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achmoye wrote:

OP said everything, as there's more content with each league, and tabs are expensive.

Some say that they are cheap because less than the price of a game. Why would we care what the price of a game is ? It's a stash in a game, I won't pay for this within a game that's supposed to be Free to play.

They are expensive if you're a 7 year old with a $1 a week allowance!

Seriously,
-you pay NOTHING to play the game initially and 1 premium tab is $3.

If you can't afford $3 then you need to stop playing a video game and get a job, then re-think your priorities in life.

Expensive is an excuse, and also 100% not true.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

No. Ask me a hard one. "Winning" isn't defined by how fast you gear up, or by how fast you do anything. Both players in your scenario have played the game and enjoyed it. Neither were prohibited from any activity. Neither was given a better character.

In order to accumulate currency to play the build u like which is cabale for endgame, for example

Like i talking with trees my god