Path of Exile and p2w

It's a difference in defining the terminology and it matters because language matters. That said, you will define the term as it suits your philosophical bent. If anyone thinks you aren't going to buy anything in a "f2p" game you're deluded, and stash tabs in PoE are a very acceptable convenience item for which to require payment so that the game funds itself which is necessary for obvious reasons.

The legal issues that have arisen for "p2w" and Skinner boxes have their own language which is very important as it sets boundaries on how gaming companies can fairly make money in any given country. That so many companies have pushed these limits is obvious. GGG is not one of those companies to this point.
sure GGG isnt any of those..

$30 hideouts

still charging for space, more microtransaction posts everyday, still same bugs even after they are reported.

lack of actual effort on microtransactions + pricing on microtransactions are getting absurd.

totally nothing wrong happening.. not another activision, not another EA, nope.
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Last edited by Xystre#4581 on Jul 29, 2019, 9:16:32 AM
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putblug wrote:
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Example257 wrote:
the only things you can buy are either cosmestics or QoL stuff BUT THEY'RE NOT NEEDED.

By this logic, xp boosts or even straight up buying currency would also be qol and not p2w because you are only spending money to circumvent the grind needed to acquire them.


nope. That would be clearly and advantage and p2w to get to a goal (max level, better gear etc) faster by spending real money. Cosmetics and "not needed" stash tabs are no p2w, get the difference
Last edited by Example257#5736 on Jul 29, 2019, 9:24:02 AM
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Xystre wrote:
sure GGG isnt any of those..

$30 hideouts

still charging for space, more microtransaction posts everyday, still same bugs even after they are reported.

lack of actual effort on microtransactions + pricing on microtransactions are getting absurd.

totally nothing wrong happening.. not another activision, not another EA, nope.


Wrong is as wrong does.

If you don't like the way the company is conducting the business you shouldn't play. While I feel there is much they could improve for the game, I don't see anything "wrong."

Nothing you mentioned requires you to use your credit card to play. Would it be more acceptable if they charged $19.95 a month and included all that other stuff?
Oh look,another one of these useless topics.
Yawn.
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Mythreindeer wrote:
stash tabs in PoE are a very acceptable convenience item


Of course it is.

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Mythreindeer wrote:

GGG is not one of those companies to this point.


Of course they aren't.

But people are hellbent on labeling PoE as a "P2W" game, generalizing it in the same alley as Clash of Clans and other REAL "P2W" games, where the more you pay, the more power/progress you get. PoE isn't - and won't ever be - one of those games.

There's just no middle ground. As long as you can pay for something they - personally - view as an "advantage", the game is P2W, through and through, unethical, bad business model and the big, bad wolf.

And for a lot of people, it all boils down to the "view" of F2P, where non-paying costumers feels entitled to the same experience as paying costumers. I've actually heard this phrase several times: "I'm not paying a dime, because this game is F2P", like some sort of principle.

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DivineChampion wrote:
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wallsh1 wrote:
Hypothesis: Path of Exile is p2w.

Experiment: Play an entire league of Path of Exile with ONLY the 4 starting tabs. I did this back in breach league and let me tell you, IT WAS AWFUL. I made a second account and played the entire league on it, I had to find a balance between saving my currency and maps those items alone take up most your storage. It ended up being like Diablo 2 but instead of an inventory full of talismans that help me it was currencies and etc. It was entirely possible to play the game but it was SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE then my account with 20+ tabs.

Conclusion: You can play Path of Exile without buying tabs but it is without a doubt significantly easier (and arguably more fun) with tabs, how do you get tabs? You spend real life money, Path of Exile is pay 2 win.

What exactly did you "win" when you switched to account with a lot of stash tabs?

Your conclusion is wrong. Correct one will be "Path of Exile is pay 2 convenience".


My previous thread was deleted so here we go again.
More tabs-more trading-more currency-better gear-uber elder down.
Tell me now that this game is not P2W.
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Phrazz wrote:
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Mythreindeer wrote:
stash tabs in PoE are a very acceptable convenience item


Of course it is.

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Mythreindeer wrote:

GGG is not one of those companies to this point.


Of course they aren't.

But people are hellbent on labeling PoE as a "P2W" game, generalizing it in the same alley as Clash of Clans and other REAL "P2W" games, where the more you pay, the more power/progress you get. PoE isn't - and won't ever be - one of those games.

There's just no middle ground. As long as you can pay for something they - personally - view as an "advantage", the game is P2W, through and through, unethical, bad business model and the big, bad wolf.

And for a lot of people, it all boils down to the "view" of F2P, where non-paying costumers feels entitled to the same experience as paying costumers. I've actually heard this phrase several times: "I'm not paying a dime, because this game is F2P", like some sort of principle.



Entitlement is the theme of the day.
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cjimaras wrote:

More tabs-more trading-more currency-better gear-uber elder down.


Yes, more tabs will magically increase the number of valuable items you find. It is known.

Are you playing competitive? Are you racing for Uber Elder/level 100 each league? If so, maybe stash tabs can be considered P2W. Maybe. But in a PvE environment? Hardly.
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Phrazz wrote:
But in a PvE environment? Hardly.

In that case selling currency would also be okay and not p2w.

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