Path of Exile and p2w

I do not understand the cry of some at all. Even if Path of Exile was a PvP game and if someone has more stash had an impact on you ... but you don't ... It hurts that someone has better, despite the fact that you do not have it worse. Best effect with best PoE builds and p2w or rmt is great and awesome. Some fellow kids try to farm orbs like orb of alehmist, scouring orb, orb of regret or vaal orb and complete chaos orbs. OFC that you can explore world with Legion and other leagues, but this is no best what people do when they try to buy orbs in Path of Exile. Mainly exalted orbs for my dear friends and lovely wife Path of Exile currency <3

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gibbousmoon wrote:

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Mythreindeer wrote:

Why should it make you uncomfortable?

Because GGG claims otherwise (and has, for years, on their website), and I would prefer to be an advocate for a game that I play regularly and not actively discourage people from playing due to ethical inconsistencies in their messaging. Make sense?

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If you can afford a computer and an ISP on which to play this game then you should be able to afford $30 of stash tabs.

Utterly irrelevant to the question at hand.

It's almost absurd how often this irrelevant argument is used. Many of us can afford to pay to win in many pay2win games, because we are adults with jobs. How is this an argument which contributes to "PoE is not pay2win?"

Come on, guys. As basic logic goes, this is far from difficult to grasp. By all means, disagree. But at least recognize that irrelevant statements don't advance your argument. This kind of thing:

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It's cheap pay2win, man! You should be able to afford it!

That statement is relevant to the question, "Is pay2win in PoE out of control and/or highly detrimental to the game?" (Which, necessarily, takes as a premise that PoE is pay2win. So people making such arguments are really coming from that standpoint, ironically.)

It is not relevant to the question, "Is PoE pay2win?"

The distinction is relevant if you care about ethical representation of games (i.e., transparency and honesty).

You're trying to make something of virtually nothing. I have played and left true p2w games in the past and so have you in all likelihood. PoE isn't even close. My statement about actual costs are relevant because actual costs are relevant. I think those of who are associating PoE with the evil of p2w are doing so because you have a personal axe to grind. This game is so far from p2w it shouldn't register on anyone's moralmeter unless you have an overarching sense of entitlement or you're just trying to start shit because you like to. You're better than this man.

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Grimgeush wrote:

I do not understand the cry of some at all. Even if Path of Exile was a PvP game and if someone has more stash had an impact on you ... but you don't ... It hurts that someone has better, despite the fact that you do not have it worse.

that's not the reality. players mostly get their idea about the game from advertisers. which are professional streamers.

they wanna be successful like them by playing like them (or better in some cases).

there is a clear competition amoung many players. and poe's endgame is designed to cater for these competitional guys so they have something to do.

as the average jon doe who gives a dang about other players you might enjoy your midgame grind but there are few players who can lower their expectations to the level suited to their playstyle and online times.

most will take every issue they can get hold off to blame their lack of success upon so they don't have to blame it on their missing skill and effectiveness.

hence we have those threads like this one

POE without stash buying is like playing good old Diablo 2.

Diablo2 needed as much space as POE - at least. I just say horadrim cube crafting with gems, item sets, runes ....

In my active time I had 2 or more mule accounts.


In every season I hoard less stuff. In principal you can make 1 account / char and use all char slots for muling.

Play SSF, throw away anything not for your char - or mule it away at seassion end when it's really good.

Craft away all surplus currency every session - or put it on craft mules at session end and craft it away when they are full.

And ignore all div. cards with a few exemptions - the worst inventory filler with the least use.

And don't hoard uniques - 99% are not usable for your char or trash.

When you think hard, you need only 1 stash tab for alternative gear for a char - a fire lighing res glove when you have a lightning cold now for closing gaps... When it's more than 1 tab it's unneeded most times...

Get 1 new throw 1 away.

Muling is an alternative. Make 1 new account per char, you have lots of mules. Better than good old Diabo 2, where I had to pay for the game (Twice, lost the copy procted CD).

Or buy tabs. Most people who can afford a computer can afford to pay at least a curreny and a map tab.

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gibbousmoon wrote:

Do better, Phrazz.

Do better?

It was a stupid question, so I answered it half-arsed. Of course buying tabs is a choice, when you're asking the question without "if's" or "but's". But yes, if we're going down the rabbit's hole, asking loaded questions with alot of "if's" and "but's", to do our best to try and make Stash Tabs as the baddest motherhumper in the history of games, the answer would probably be different.

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"Is it possible to play the game as intended by the game's designers in 2019 with only the default 4 tabs?"

By all means, let's add another subjective element to the list for people to interpret. Is it designed for flipping currency? Is it designed for racing? Is it designed to save every bit of currency until you're hitting maps? Is it designed to hoard?

Look, it's designed for you to play in a lot of different ways.

people are so ungrateful and will whine at any chance. poe is hardly p2w compared to all these other f2p games. it could be MUCH worse. if you like the game and plan to play it a lot, pay for QOL of stash tabs.

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Myst3ryMan99 wrote:

people are so ungrateful and will whine at any chance. poe is hardly p2w compared to all these other f2p games. it could be MUCH worse. if you like the game and plan to play it a lot, pay for QOL of stash tabs.

ungrateful? how's that ungrateful?

awful use of the word to put it nicely.

GGG dev's should be grateful without feedback and players money and f2p players bringing numbers for the next dev presentation it would be the other way around..

then again like I mention in some threads like this, people will buy anything tencentGGG releases for any amount.. all this kind of threads out there and in the future the same people singing their charade that it's not p2w and they deflect any sort of opinion even when used with basic common sense examples.

by all means, keep getting milked with $30-50 hideouts or shining effects on skills that will get nerfed to oblivion..

Eventually there will be a time when payers will say they are done getting milked..

The biggest forum white knights, tend to be the first ones to jump ship if some patch is less successful or the game loses popularity.

Their responses for legitimate Tabs arguments have been copy-pasted for years.
Forum avatars and names change, yet the text remains the same.

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Mythreindeer wrote:

Why should it make you uncomfortable? If you can afford a computer and an ISP on which to play this game then you should be able to afford $30 of stash tabs. Is that asking too much for an otherwise completely free game? I don't think so. Call it p2w if you want, I don't think so, but whatever.

I have tabs currently, but I can tell you right now both I and a few of my friends who have computers and internet couldn't afford 30 dollars for stash tabs.

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johnKeys wrote:

The biggest forum white knights, tend to be the first ones to jump ship if some patch is less successful or the game loses popularity.

Their responses for legitimate Tabs arguments have been copy-pasted for years.
Forum avatars and names change, yet the text remains the same.

That goes for arguments on both sides - and debaters on both sides. What's the point of that post? The moment you feel you have to use a word like "white knight" is the moment your arguments either suck or are gone.

I have - personally - several beefs with GGG and their game. Their monetization model isn't one of them, though.