CI and stun

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casval776 wrote:

1) When you take CI, ES = Life

You did acknowledge in your post from just 55 min ago that CI is not the only build using ES for survivability.

And even though your post falls at the first point already nr 4 is fairly bad as well:

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casval776 wrote:

4) Balancing Life, ES, AR or EV, and Damage = Not possible

It of course not be possible balance them so that you can have perfect in everything but you CAN balance them so that you get a decent character. And you are missing the reduced stun mod on items (not very hard to get) maybe you are just not valuing the right things or you simply want an unbeatable super build.

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Grildrak wrote:

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casval776 wrote:

1) When you take CI, ES = Life

You did acknowledge in your post from just 55 min ago that CI is not the only build using ES for survivability.

Judging from the overall tone of my post and the title of this thread, we're talking about CI.
Would you like to get back on track now?

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casval776 wrote:

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Grildrak wrote:

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casval776 wrote:

1) When you take CI, ES = Life

You did acknowledge in your post from just 55 min ago that CI is not the only build using ES for survivability.

Judging from the overall tone of my post and the title of this thread, we're talking about CI.
Would you like to get back on track now?

Yes the topic is "CI and stun" but the stun thing IS NOT a specific CI issue. So just changing stuff for CI would be bad and that is what I am trying to make you see. I am trying to make you see why this SHOULD not be about just CI!! I dont really think that stuns should be an issue at all but if it should then CI should not be mentioned as they are not the only ones in the position.

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Grildrak wrote:

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casval776 wrote:

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Grildrak wrote:

You did acknowledge in your post from just 55 min ago that CI is not the only build using ES for survivability.

Judging from the overall tone of my post and the title of this thread, we're talking about CI.
Would you like to get back on track now?

Yes the topic is "CI and stun" but the stun thing IS NOT a specific CI issue. So just changing stuff for CI would be bad and that is what I am trying to make you see. I am trying to make you see why this SHOULD not be about just CI!! I dont really think that stuns should be an issue at all but if it should then CI should not be mentioned as they are not the only ones in the position.

They're the only one who trade all of their life for chaos immunity. PA builds are always a huge trade-off, that's a moot point. There's no other build that emphasizes more ES over Life. At least, not any builds that are in popular circulation.

but that's k, come in a CI thread and pretend like CI isn't the topic of discussion. Please, carry on with your immeasurable wealth of knowledge.

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casval776 wrote:

but that's k, come in a CI thread and pretend like CI isn't the topic of discussion. Please, carry on with your immeasurable wealth of knowledge.

If I made a topic saying build foo needs a buff against bar and someone point out to me that build baz shares the exact same problem because the problem is in game mechanic qux then I would acknowledge that it is not a foo and bar problem. All I am trying to do here is to make you acknowledge that it is not a CI and stun issue but a ES and stun issue.

I did not know the topic only was for CI users crying for buff to themselves.

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Grildrak wrote:

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casval776 wrote:

but that's k, come in a CI thread and pretend like CI isn't the topic of discussion. Please, carry on with your immeasurable wealth of knowledge.

If I made a topic saying build foo needs a buff against bar and someone point out to me that build baz shares the exact same problem because the problem is in game mechanic qux then I would acknowledge that it is not a foo and bar problem. All I am trying to do here is to make you acknowledge that it is not a CI and stun issue but a ES and stun issue.

I did not know the topic only was for CI users crying for buff to themselves.

Once again, you don't seem to be reading. Here, let me put it in bullet point format again for you:

1) PA Builds stack ES
2) CI builds stack ES
3) Both builds can also stack Life
4) One build gets no real benefit from it
5) That build is in the title of the thread
6) Hence, the topic of discussion.

Honestly, this isn't about PA builds. They're only using 35% of their max health but they can still stack health and get real benefits. CI doesn't get those benefits. Both builds have the same stun calculation, one has an alternative that solves the problem in two ways: More effective health, more defense against stuns. The other gets one without the other.

Hence the topic of discussion.

I don't intend to explain the point of the topic any further.

Now with you starting to loop the same stuff I already have responded to I can't go on without getting a tad annoyed at your inability to read. I have to give up on making you understand but hopefully other readers (and those who's opinions matters) will understand my point of why this is a "ES and stun" issue and why CI on it's own is not related to the real issue.

Yep, because CI people are getting all those life nodes and getting all the HP+ gear.

What a joke, such a dumb mechanic.

I think people ar arguing for anything.
The fact here is CI is an option, it is not better or worst than other.
For some builds and — more important — for some playstyles, CI fits better than life. For others, not.

Its just this, guys. CI doesn't suck, its evena bit overpowered in some builds I guess. Almost immortal characters with 12+ ES. With so much ES (and, as I said, with some builds), you can only die if you make not one, but 5-6 big mistakes, one after each other, or if you are playing drunk.

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Grildrak wrote:

Now with you starting to loop the same stuff I already have responded to I can't go on without getting a tad annoyed at your inability to read. I have to give up on making you understand but hopefully other readers (and those who's opinions matters) will understand my point of why this is a "ES and stun" issue and why CI on it's own is not related to the real issue.

You're not arguing the point of the thread. That's why I have to sit here and repeat the same thing over and over: because you're not getting it. The thread isn't about other ES stacking builds, it's about CI. If you can't argue on topic, fuck off.