CI and stun

I'll attempt to list every pro and con I can think of for a CI build and hopefully that will help people understand that buffing CI (yes, it's a buff, a tremendous one) to base stun/freeze duration off ES instead of life will be incredibly OP.

Pros:
1) 100% chaos resistance
People are handwaving this away by saying things like "it's the ONLY benefit of a CI build". Don't you guys understand that it is THE benefit of a CI build? To max out chaos resist via gear/nodes is takes a lot more time and effort than to work towards one passive. CI essentially saves you the skill points you would spend to get chaos resists and/or stricter item requirements that include "+ x% to chaos resist".

2) Stacking ES gives you a larger BASE pool than hp [debatable]
I'm not talking about EHP yet, this is just comparing flat ES and hp. Now, I've not stacked hp on any of my chars because I love ES, but based on what other people have been saying in this thread, it seems like the general consensus is that you can get more ES than hp simply by getting all the relevent nodes. Also, with the latest CI buff, this is very likely to be even more so.

3) The lack of life frees up flask slots
This, in my opinion, is underrated as well. I personally carry 2 quicksilver, 1 granite, and 2 mana pots. I don't actually use the second mana pot but it is the only pot I have that dispels burning. For people saying that life flasks give extra EHP, don't granites do the same? To those that do get frozen, why not use a quicksilver that dispels frozen/chilled like I do, so you can get away and recover your ES safely?

Cons:
1) You only have 1 life
You effectively lose several hundred hp if you compare your char just before and after getting CI.

2) Stacking ES means you have a low hp pool for freeze/stun calculations
Definitely so, but surely the frozen aspect is covered up by the use of extra flasks? I have no answer for stun, except for a passive far away or uniques, so that remains a significant con.

3) Due to high ES requirements on gear, you sacrifice armour/evasion
True, but in my opinion as well as a few others, a CI build is generally preferred by range chars. We generally try not to get hit at all, which revolves around a whole different type of gameplay. Alternatively, melee chars can also go for a CI build that uses hybrid gear. I've never played using melee CI before, but I'm sure it can be done. It just requires tricky balancing of stats but isn't that what a good ARPG is about? Balancing of stats?

So, I personally think the pros and cons are balanced and that buffing CI by making freeze/stun base on ES would remove a huge con, and make CI way too OP. Asking for a buff on CI to remove one of its main drawbacks is like making a glass cannon and asking for reflect damage to be nerfed. Ring any bells, anyone? However, that said, if this discussion exists, it probably means that there are some people that like it and some that don't. That's a good thing because it means that CI isn't currently OP or useless, which means that you can choose whether or not to get it and that it's personal preference, not bad design.

use eye of chayula or get unwavering stance, problem solved, its how i used to deal with stuns on CI, just get the unqiue amulet and youre set.

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VictorDoom wrote:

use eye of chayula or get unwavering stance, problem solved, its how i used to deal with stuns on CI, just get the unqiue amulet and youre set.

gtfo pls

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maryn wrote:

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VictorDoom wrote:

use eye of chayula or get unwavering stance, problem solved, its how i used to deal with stuns on CI, just get the unqiue amulet and youre set.

gtfo pls

oh someones touchy :)

played enough CI to know the problems with it, its annoying yeah, but you can deal with it, dispel frozen flasks for the freezing, chayula or US for stunning, running like a bitch for shocking, standing still for puncture.

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Mark_GGG wrote:

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Velrik wrote:

when u have 1 hp with CI EVERYTHING stuns you.

Taking CI does not in any way make you more vulnerable to stuns or elemental status ailments than the same build would be without CI.

I was in love with "ggg" and their game until the moment i read this post.

Now im sad this is all you guys have to say about this very real issue. If getting stun locked, frozen, shock stacked to death with CI is intentional at least let people know that in a way... (with a tooltip or anything.)

I just spent 20 regrets on my 82templar to find out that CI is a complete and utter rubbish without taking life nodes because of a tricky mechanic that avoids common sense.

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SpecialSnowflake wrote:

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Mark_GGG wrote:

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Velrik wrote:

when u have 1 hp with CI EVERYTHING stuns you.

Taking CI does not in any way make you more vulnerable to stuns or elemental status ailments than the same build would be without CI.

I was in love with "ggg" and their game until the moment i read this post.

Now im sad this is all you guys have to say about this very real issue. If getting stun locked, frozen, shock stacked to death with CI is intentional at least let people know that in a way... (with a tooltip or anything.)

I just spent 20 regrets on my 82templar to find out that CI is a complete and utter rubbish without taking life nodes because of a tricky mechanic that avoids common sense.

Well maybe you should have read up on it BEFORE taking CI, and then blaming the devs for your own mistakes? ever thought of that?
There's a reason i keep the mechanics-thread in my sig..more people should read it.

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raz0r_boy wrote:

Well maybe you should have read up on it BEFORE taking CI, and then blaming the devs for your own mistakes? ever thought of that?
There's a reason i keep the mechanics-thread in my sig..more people should read it.

Im sorry i thought im in the "beta feedback" section.

Anyway this is something that in my opinion needs to be changed. Im not asking for a CI buff, im gonna spend an other 20 regrets to go back to es+life but this mechanic is just bad. Really bad.

i want to go CI but how much does Eye of Chulula cost?

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SpecialSnowflake wrote:

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raz0r_boy wrote:

Well maybe you should have read up on it BEFORE taking CI, and then blaming the devs for your own mistakes? ever thought of that?
There's a reason i keep the mechanics-thread in my sig..more people should read it.

Im sorry i thought im in the "beta feedback" section.

Anyway this is something that in my opinion needs to be changed. Im not asking for a CI buff, im gonna spend an other 20 regrets to go back to es+life but this mechanic is just bad. Really bad.

Well if you're asking for the CI mechanics to be changed to making it harder for you to get stunned/chilled (they're not even based on CI but for the ease of comperhension) then you ARE asking for a buff.
What people don't seem to understand is that CI does NOT need a buff, if it would to get a buff, it would be FAR superior to life in every way possible..and that's nog something that's either likely TO happen or should happen.
There are downsides with CI and there are benefits..for those who take the time to read up on it and understand how to counter the mechanics in a way that benefits them, the rewards are there..but as stated above, there ARE downsides.
If you can't handle CI, simply don't use it.

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boohead wrote:

i want to go CI but how much does Eye of Chulula cost?

less than one exalt easy