The arguement against auto trading is what, exactly?...

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Reinhart wrote:

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

Nope, only relatively cheap items will get cheaper. Item worth 1 exa or more will keep their price, cause for those, current trade system and AH are essentially the SAME (a bit of hassle with trading is nothing for 1exa+ items).
And i dont really care about vendor trash items (5c or less). Do you?

Exalt ratios depend on usefullness of exa/chaos, and their drop rates, NOT on trading system itself, lol!

Do you really think for example that Starforge will still cost 1 ex?

http://poe.trade/search/onohowihubuono

There are currently 5356 Starforges listed on Standard. They will all become available with an instant buyout house. The bottom will fall under it. Price will crash to a couple of chaos.

But I really don't care anymore. I hope they implement this instant buyout house in a temp league, so we can measure the consequences.

And do you REALLY think Starforge, that mediocre item, is worth few exalteds?
How many builds use it? How many players are ready to pay exalteds for it? Pesonally, i wouldnt.

Also, why should we care about STANDARD at all? Every league it's injected with tons of items from temporary leagues, and most players having that stuff dont ned iut, cause they play temporary league only.
And items in PoE never break or degrade.
Obviously, in that environment, there cant exist any stable economy.

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BloodPuddles420 wrote:

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SilentStorm625 wrote:

there is no argument. The devs are just lazy/scared

That sounds more like the people who just want to have all the best gear, and rip through all the content.

Not wanting to spend hours spaming peoples chat =/= not wanting to grind through the shit gear

GGG just needs to expand the currency vendor or add a crafting bench set of conversions.

There is no reason we shouldn't be able to convert currency items.

Not having an AH-like system basically means a player needs to decide between leaving what he's doing and go trade or ignoring the trade request message, so you have less inflation in the economy by having people who choose to leave for a few seconds to trade not generate some kind of goods/services during that process.

That's really all I can get out of anti-trading and it seems like a really sketchy argument. There are already plenty of currency trader making currency by buy-low-sell-high, I'm not really sure if introducing an AH would actually make that worse.

If you like bartering, that's fine, but it feels very bad when I need to whisper 20+ people to buy some maps, have 3 of them respond, and conversely, have 10 people whisper me to sell something but I just ignore them because I'm doing something else that I would prefer not losing a portal over.

Like who even benefits from this system? The only people I can think of are currency traders and people who knows how to use trade macro -compared to people that don't know the existence of trade macro or poe.trade-, and both of which is just because the barrier of entry is higher through a 3rd party program than something built in-game.

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BloodPuddles420 wrote:

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SilentStorm625 wrote:

there is no argument. The devs are just lazy/scared

That sounds more like the people who just want to have all the best gear, and rip through all the content.

You mean like we can now? The difference between an automated trade system and the one we have now is a few minutes where you spam people to try and buy stuff, that's it full stop. It's just removing a bit of clunky design, and decreasing the amount of non game time spent in the game.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

You keep trying to plug that mythical phone ap. No way in hell would I give access to my phone to this game. Na. Not going to happen.

Unless GGG is going to allow a marketplace or AH style of trading then what do you see as the best way that a seller can be notified of a buyer? Let's be real everyone most of us are not in PoE most of the time. Example: Monday morning I got an emergency service call that took 5 hours to solve. It's now (6:00 pm EST), just finished dinner, done the dishes, and can come into the forums for a few posts. After I rest some from 3.5 hours on a hot metal roof in 95° summer heat I will log in and play PoE for awhile. If only while I'm logged in will I get any WTB notifications then 75% to 90% of the day I am either working or pursuing other activities in real life and I will never know that I have an item that someone wants to buy. Yet in all my daily activities I have my cell phone on me. It's the perfect way to get notified wherever I am of a WTB and if there was a PoE app I could stop for a few mins to conduct a sale and then resume what I was doing.

So I challenge you and all reading this to come up with a better way that sellers can be (nearly) instantly notified of a WTB? What is the 1 item that we almost never leave home without? Of course it is our cell phones so it's the perfect way to connect buyers with sellers. Don't BS back unless you have a better way because we all know GGG WILL NEVER HAVE AN AUCTION HOUSE IN PoE. N_E_V_E_R!!!

Lack of common sense in pro AH crowd is fascinating. Simple fact of the matter the economy is flooded with items that never make to the market because people dont bother trading them. That is a fact making it much easier to buy sell WILL have major impact on prices. Denying this is downright (removed by support).


Majority of current trade issues come from api lag. Most of the time people dont answer is due item being sold while back. Or inability to trade in multiple cases like lab, bosses, delve. Better update system would fix majority of complains already. For example one of the solution would be additional availability check at time of whisper. Which would not even notify seller if item not in place it was during indexing.

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j33bus wrote:

You mean like we can now? The difference between an automated trade system and the one we have now is a few minutes where you spam people to try and buy stuff, that's it full stop. It's just removing a bit of clunky design, and decreasing the amount of non game time spent in the game.

Stop being an idiot. That's not what we have right now and it's not just removing a bit of clunky design.

Most people are not using bots, and bots are against the ToS (illegal). To say a few bots = all players using automatic trading. Is a pretty stupid.

Also, all games have trade limits in their games.

This can be in the form of bind on equip items, 4-hour buying limits, daily trade limits, or realm restrictions.

Everyone and their mother knows that automatic trade causes a lot of problems that needs to be balanced around.

The only morons who think nothing will change. Are idiots who have no idea how games are balanced and too stupid to actually think of consequences.

How about you think outside the box and realize if 99% of all games with automatic trading have limits in one way or another.

That automatic trading actually does more then 'remove non-game' time. Its literally a balance breaking change that dimwitted individuals think is a good thing.

Because to them, there no difference between an apple and an orange.

And in PoE this trade limit is soft-capped on how fast you can get people to reply to you.

You don't have bind on equip. You don't have a limit of 4 trades a day.

You are only limited by how fast you can get an item by whispering people. Which can be a few seconds to a few minutes.

It can't be too hard for people to understand why trading is like this right now. Honestly, I think GGG should have just put in the Auction House like they did for their playstation release.

Would have saved us a lot of trouble with idiots claiming they know how other people play the game.

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Deathfairy wrote:

Better update system would fix majority of complains already.

You are joking right?
Current trading system is trash, and not just the "slow api" is the problem.

So...

...can we just, like...auto-lock every new trade thread that pops up? Just have the system flag it and lock it automatically, generate a message saying "here are three hundred other threads you can direct any discussion you'd like to have on trade to"?

That'd be nice. That's a QoL feature I'd approve of.