OPTION TO HIDE MTX ON OTHER PLAYERS

Social cues such as seeing other people buying MTX help drive sales. This is a known phenomenon. GGG probably doesn't consider people who would turn off MTX on others to be likely to be valuable customers, and it's hard to argue this is an unwarranted assumption.

considering that I only reward games if I'm having fun and this game is filled with ADs from infamous bots to the normal GGG making announcements and players in town 'showing off'

the best thing that always works for me is /hideout as soon it loads.

I don't play in party 99% of my time so..

There are solutions to every problem raised that doesn't require GGG to add-in any form of MTX-hiding feature.

If you don't like MTX, go to your hideout immediately when you log-in, and only party with people who do not use MTX. If someone joins who is using MTX, politely ask that they remove that MTX. You *can* simply kick them instantly, but it's most fair that you give them an opportunity to comply. If they refuse to do so, go ahead and kick them.

If you're an MTX-wearer, and are in this thread complaining about being kicked because of your MTX, then you obviously know what the problem is. You know that your MTX causes others problems, and you're not considerate enough to turn it off temporarily.

You probably know that doing so would solve your "being kicked" problem - but your beef most likely stems from the belief you have the right to inflict your MTX on anyone you choose. As much as that's true, group leaders also have the right to kick and refuse to play with anyone of their choosing for any reason whatsoever. Your rights, and the group leader's rights, are equal regardless how much real-money was spent. You're at an impasse, so there must be a tie-breaker. The most sensible tie-breaker is "turf".

If you, as an MTX-wearer, join a group and the members of that group don't want to play with you because of your MTX, you're on their "turf" as they have the power. If you're asked to remove your MTX, you have two options: comply and stay in the group, refuse and be kicked. If that leaves you unable to easily find groups to play with as a result, that is your problem.

But on the other side of the coin, anti-MTX players can easily avoid MTX where it's most problematic. If you don't ask group members to remove their MTX, and aren't prepared to kick MTX-wearers, then you're out of options and will just have to "deal with it".

At the same time, if you're an anti-MTX player, you join an existing group and the other members are wearing MTX, you're on *their* "turf". You cannot insist the other group members remove their MTX. You *can* politely ask, but they're not obligated to comply, so the only real course of action available to you is to remove yourself from that group and join another.

Personally, speaking from the PoV of someone who *never* groups, I just don't care and are totally nonplussed by whatever MTX I do happen to see during the brief 3 seconds I'm warping from Oriath to my hideout. I'm not in danger of death so I don't care if lag adds 1 or 2 seconds to the process. Once I'm in my hideout, from my perspective MTX and other players in general cease to exist, and I'm able to play in peace for the rest of the session. A massive proportion of the players do this, so it will always be the case that the overwhelming majority of players just won't care about these kind of problems at all enough to warrant GGG change the game to forcibly solve.

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Rathkhan wrote:

Not going to happen. The point of cosmetic MTX is to make your character look badass and show off. If they added that option there would be no incentive to spend real money on them.

I spent around $180 for the full Zenith armor suit with cape, dog, and two skins for each 1h sword. You better believe I want to show off that shit.... in your face.



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But it looks like crap

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Rathkhan wrote:

Not going to happen. The point of cosmetic MTX is to make your character look badass and show off. If they added that option there would be no incentive to spend real money on them.

That's your point of view. While you identified ONE incentive, there are others. Given how PoE is mostly a solo game, I've encountered FAR more people who buy MTX simply for their own enjoyment - the base look of equipment gets old very quickly, and people often do get sick and tired of "looking like a hobo".

Your attitude implies that there's no point in doing anything for the purposes of looking pleasant unless there are others around to appreciate it. That somehow your own pleasure is never important enough.

It's like saying there's no point in keeping your house tidy and clean, or having a shave/wearing make-up, combing your hair, ironing your clothes or even getting changed out of your pyjamas if you're neither going out nor expecting visitors that day.

But the reality is, sometimes people do have certain tastes or standards. If something looks unattractive or irritating, and it bothers them, and they're able to solve the problem, why wouldn't they?

Of course not everyone's going to do that. But likewise, not everyone cares about other people seeing their MTX. If I happen to wear cosmetics in any game, it's because *I* like the look of the cosmentic. I couldn't give a rat's behind what every other random stranger thinks.

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UnclePobatti wrote:

It's like saying there's no point in keeping your house tidy and clean, or having a shave/wearing make-up, combing your hair, ironing your clothes or even getting changed out of your pyjamas if you're neither going out nor expecting visitors that day.

Only those things involve health related issues, so the comparison does not really work.

But it's a bit like buying clothes indeed, of course people do buy clothes for their own enjoyment to some extent ... but let's face it, it's also to a certain extent about one is being perceived by others.

Some won't care much about it, and some will care a lot about it, and I'm inclined to think that the later is the main target for any marketing action, including MTXs in PoE.
It's not white or black, it's the same thing, and everything stands a bit differently regarding it.

There's also my case where im far beyond the required spec's for this game and have and would continue to spend a decent amount of money on this game when i can if the performance issues were to be addressed.

If this could be addressed in some way without disabling mtx then that would be best as i do enjoy being seen but i dont go out of my way for it personally nor do i want people to suffer for my MTX or get bugged to remove them when i join a party, Sure i could disable them and usually if someone asks nicely i do.

I could go play warframe and have 0 problems on high settings, if GGG's only excuse on this is it might decrease sales then well perhaps they dont deserve my money.

I have to work for every dollar i have and at the end of the month i cant generally afford to buy a 60$+ supporter pack but that doesnt mean i dont spend money when i can.

An option to disable MTX would be the most extreme solution and not the one im most interested in seeing, But if GGG cant come up with a better solution to increase the playability of all of their users then there really isnt any other thing to ask for here.

I'd like to simply see a serious look at increasing performance with them so that everyone can enjoy both the stuff they spent their hard earned money on and the rewards from working hard in previous/current leagues.

And not every user in this game is on an SSD and saying simply upgrade is selfish, Many of the users suffering the most have spent plenty of money on mtx and stash tabs/etc in fact not everyone has peacock syndrome and some people have spent more money than a lot of people here on non-cosmetic options like stash tabs which is where most of my money has gone.

I've spent more than your average user here on non-mtx what makes anyone's money worth more than anyone elses? terrible excuse to try to use.

The fact is if they did add the option, You would never have any idea that people disabled it and it wouldn't affect you buying more especially if the user in question has this thing called friends that they play with.

I've only heard someone mention someones mtx in a positive light maybe one time this year, the rest were complaints and arguing and if you gave those people the option to just play they would likely STFU and the game would be much better for it.

Posts about this topic would completely disappear forever and mostly people who use the option would ever think about it.

There would be more public partys available, there would be less people dying left and right for no reason at all other than their own mistakes.

Encouraging people to avoid other users will be the death of this game and if GGG cant see that then i'll be happy to pick up and spend my money on the next developer who can actually wrap their head around the concept of making your players happy = they are more likely to spend money on your product.

Disabling MTX entirely is silly as far as im concerned here the only reasonable request being made here is to disable MTX while in a party.

The only thing people generally see in a party is the X of another user on the TAB map and anyone who isnt in this position is likely a solo player in which this would NEVER affect anyway and have no weight in this argument if the solution were PARTY-ONLY.

I am the center of MY screen, i see MYSELF and most other users are just background noise in the chaos of things dying and exploding, I would still look cool to myself and i would still want to get that next MTX that takes my theme to the next level, Because that EMPOWERS me and makes me feel stronger, It would not change a thing for me if some random person couldn't see it, I'm not sure about everyone else here but i dont go around asking people if they like my mtx.

I don't need to impress other people i have friends already that regularly spend a lot of money on our guild and themselves and all of them would be for this option because we play together as a group and arent fussed on our appearance so much as accomplishing goals together.

We would still have our MTX enabled in full in the hideout and in town so i fail to see how people can logically say this is going to destroy GGG's sales when its going to make the grouping in this game 100x more playable for A LOT OF USERS not just a few.

Its like saying you have to choose who you can play with entirely based on their pc specs and their location in the world which is just absurd, I choose who i play with because of their attitude and willingness to cooperate as a group, My guild is an international guild meaning we have users from all across the globe many of which have a better PC than i do and are still having major issues because of this topic.

They won't, but at this point I just hope GGG will add an SSD to the minimum required specs, so we can stop this back and forth mud throwing over it at last.

The whole thing about MTX having a negative impact on performance is just an assumption as well. A large number of "naked" players in a zone has an impact on performance regardless of what they wear. Shiny =/= laggy.

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Xavathos wrote:

They won't, but at this point I just hope GGG will add an SSD to the minimum required specs, so we can stop this back and forth mud throwing over it at last.

The whole thing about MTX having a negative impact on performance is just an assumption as well. A large number of "naked" players in a zone has an impact on performance regardless of what they wear. Shiny =/= laggy.

Adding the SSD to the minimum specs is going to do nothing for the thousands upon thousands of users who dont have one, There are no other games i play where an SSD is required to be able to have a moderately ok experience and its just a really bad excuse imo.

If someone is having lag from naked players with no mtx they are likely under the actual MINIMUM specs, i am far above the REQUIRED specs and have a lot of issues since delve and beyond, And many friends with much better pc than mine have issues too.

the SDD isnt a one off fixes-everything solution all it really does is increase load times and has almost zero effect on the problem that spawned this topic in the first place.

The lag users are dealing with is gpu/cpu related and was NOT an issue prior to delve for me or for anyone i know outside of rediculous builds that myself and others sometimes run.

Add an option to disable, or don't i dont really care so much about that as i do the end result which is performance has gone down massively and needs to be addressed.

GGG wants to move into the territory of the modern ARPG but the fact is their game has such bad performance they will never get to that point without addressing that, I can go play almost any recent game on its maximum settings on this pc exploring immersive 3d environments with graphics far beyond anything this game will ever have and not have any problems.

Its a pretty big issue for me since this game for many years was the game i ran in the background alongside whatever else i was playing because it didnt chew up all of my resources and thats why i reccomended this game to hundreds of people because it had good performance and wasnt a hindrance to keep open.

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Xavathos wrote:

They won't, but at this point I just hope GGG will add an SSD to the minimum required specs, so we can stop this back and forth mud throwing over it at last.

The whole thing about MTX having a negative impact on performance is just an assumption as well. A large number of "naked" players in a zone has an impact on performance regardless of what they wear. Shiny =/= laggy.

The situation would be *slightly* smoothed by an SSD. But the bottlenecks on performance are tied more closely to the core power of your PC: the textures and affects the game needs to load require graphics RAM, and as things start to pile up you can easily run out mainly as a byproduct of all the "nonessential" stuff.

Take RuneScape for example: that game has phenomenally low system requirements (and looks it), but they started adding MTX cosmetics. It's common that in populated areas your game might need to load and display mamy hundreds of unique different MTX at once, these add-up, and eventually you get stuoidly-low fps and/or crashes.

Yet if you can mamage to stay away from the populated zones, the game's light as a feather on even a potato. It's silly to lock-out lots of potential players (and payers) who can multi-box 4 copies of the game under most circumstances at a comfortable 30fps but get 5fps or crashes on a single client in stupidly congested zones due to MTX.

But in any case, performance is only half the problem. For many people, MTX is too "visually loud" and distracting. Too much MTX going on in the game can cause massive amounts of confusion. Some people get annoyed by MTX specifically for this reason, while some MTX-wearers choose especially garish, annoying and distracting MTX for that reason too (to purposefully annoy).

No amount of raised system requirements are going to solve those particular problems. But as I went into great lengths to explain in earlier posts - there's no reason to do anything, because every player has the power to limit how much MTX impacts their game. If you don't want to see it, you can limit it down to just the couple of seconds it takes to warp from Oriath to your hideout if you really want to. There's no need for any direct action on GGG's part to solve a problem which players can solve themselves.