They're people who think maps droping too much is a bad thing.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

It's really quite simple and why the change is welcomed.

1. Gating the last parts of endgame doesn't make sense or help retention. Its should be based on your skill and build choices, not rng or trading.
2. Finding your own maps and having ownership of your own progression feels good.
3. Having to run maps you didnt want to run, to pay someone else for the maps you did want to run in the first place feels awful, just awful.
4. If you run out of maps, you don't play as much.
5. Lots of people play SSF, GGG can see those figures.
6. Killing maps bosses makes sense now and feels more rewarding.

Finally there is basically zero downside. Giving everyone better access to red maps and experiencing the later parts of PoE is important. If this impacts map sellers, I think I speak for everyone else when I say boo fucking hoo.

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jackof8lades wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

It's really quite simple and why the change is welcomed.

1. Gating the last parts of endgame doesn't make sense or help retention. Its should be based on your skill and build choices, not rng or trading.
2. Finding your own maps and having ownership of your own progression feels good.
3. Having to run maps you didnt want to run, to pay someone else for the maps you did want to run in the first place feels awful, just awful.
4. If you run out of maps, you don't play as much.
5. Lots of people play SSF, GGG can see those figures.
6. Killing maps bosses makes sense now and feels more rewarding.

Finally there is basically zero downside. Giving everyone better access to red maps and experiencing the later parts of PoE is important. If this impacts map sellers, I think I speak for everyone else when I say boo fucking hoo.

1: Giving free acces to endgame makes the endgame unearned, both the endgame
itself and the journey towards it should be a struggle imo.
2: I already do and have done that.
3: Once my atlas is setup i never have to run anything i don't want to run.
4: if you run out of maps you are really really really really bad at the game.
5: But you can't see those figures making this a pointless statement, also ssf
should never be an argument for anything ever.
6: Killing bosses is as shit as ever, the only thing worth killing are the
adds in some boss fights(summit, desert etc.)

As for the no downside part, well its hard to say one way or the other, ppl like me like some struggle while other ppl are allergic to putting in any effort or time or thought or anything at all even.

I feel like i am def in the minority so ggg will no doubt start to cater more and more to ppl who want poe to be a d3 clone.

I was somewhat joking when i said in 4.0 nothing will take any effort anymore, but if thats where tencent/ggg sees the most money and player retention i have very little doubt poe will turn into exactly that.

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jackof8lades wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

It's really quite simple and why the change is welcomed.

1. Gating the last parts of endgame doesn't make sense or help retention. Its should be based on your skill and build choices, not rng or trading.
2. Finding your own maps and having ownership of your own progression feels good.
3. Having to run maps you didnt want to run, to pay someone else for the maps you did want to run in the first place feels awful, just awful.
4. If you run out of maps, you don't play as much.
5. Lots of people play SSF, GGG can see those figures.
6. Killing maps bosses makes sense now and feels more rewarding.

Finally there is basically zero downside. Giving everyone better access to red maps and experiencing the later parts of PoE is important. If this impacts map sellers, I think I speak for everyone else when I say boo fucking hoo.

1: Giving free acces to endgame makes the endgame unearned, both the endgame
itself and the journey towards it should be a struggle imo.
2: I already do and have done that.
3: Once my atlas is setup i never have to run anything i don't want to run.
4: if you run out of maps you are really really really really bad at the game.
5: But you can't see those figures making this a pointless statement, also ssf
should never be an argument for anything ever.
6: Killing bosses is as shit as ever, the only thing worth killing are the
adds in some boss fights(summit, desert etc.)

As for the no downside part, well its hard to say one way or the other, ppl like me like some struggle while other ppl are allergic to putting in any effort or time or thought or anything at all even.

I feel like i am def in the minority so ggg will no doubt start to cater more and more to ppl who want poe to be a d3 clone.

I was somewhat joking when i said in 4.0 nothing will take any effort anymore, but if thats where tencent/ggg sees the most money and player retention i have very little doubt poe will turn into exactly that.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Strong points. Toxic points, but strong nonetheless.

If making the game accessible to wider amounts of players is actually a downside in your eyes, I dont even know what to say.

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grepman wrote:

so not wanting to dumb down the game and keep the game about grinding, as opposed to instant gratification is a 'toxic' point ?

silly me, wanting the game to stay a niche game where you have to earn/work for shit, as opposed to every other game out where the game [Removed by Support] for doing shit youre supposed to be doing, is 'TOXIC' ?

wow.

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BloodPuddles420 wrote:

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grepman wrote:

so not wanting to dumb down the game and keep the game about grinding, as opposed to instant gratification is a 'toxic' point ?

silly me, wanting the game to stay a niche game where you have to earn/work for shit, as opposed to every other game out where the game [Removed by Support] for doing shit youre supposed to be doing, is 'TOXIC' ?

wow.

The game isn't supposed to be about grinding though. It's about building characters, and slaying assloads of monsters. Also time doesn't equal effort, I've spent hours sitting on my ass staring at walls before. How much work do you think that was?