They're people who think maps droping too much is a bad thing.

I said the game is about grinding. It can be about grinding anything. GGG, at the very beginning said that high tier maps should be a rare drop and level 100 shouldn't be ver be attainable. I very much shared those views of theirs when they started. Arpgs are a time sink that depend on your time put in.

In fact one of the very first threads I've made on this forum was me not wanting them to make maps larger. That was summer of 2013 and people would exalt their maps in order to progress. Maps were a currency and resource sink as well as time.

Gating content by difficulty doesn't work when there is no difficulty. So I don't get your point.

Do you think a level 70 character who bought all his gear with a top tier build that can delete anything in the game should be just allowed to jump into t16 if he can and just ignore the map system altogether?

You cant not do kitava and go to maps, but you can go to Uber elder straight from kitava. This is a problem. Moreso its a problem with game progression.

But tell me, if we can run the maps white, what is incentive to run anything but t15/t16 for any build? You can run them white or magic and aside from league mechannic you'll roflstomp core trash with any build and get valuable drops even off magic maps.

There simply isn't anything wrong with gating content behind rng and grinding, in a game that is built on rng and grinding. You just want to do it faster. No sympathy here. Sorry.

Does poe have an endgame progression problem? Yes. And while this problem persists, maps not only can be gated by rng and grind and some currency investment, they SHOULD be.

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BloodPuddles420 wrote:

I'm assuming you just play meta builds, spamming your way through like it's an idle game. Forced repetition doesn't benefit this game in any way. If you love the game so much, why are you mad they're letting you experience more of the enjoyable stuff in it? It's still the same game, with the same amount of depth. But now you can play through quicker though, make some progress in another game, watch a show, read a book. Your point "People shouldn't be allowed to do other things and still experience the whole game." makes absolutely no sense.

you want instant gratification. OK. I don't want a niche game to have that. We'll never meet at a compromise here.

And because the content is stretched out (even if it's artificial), I'm still able to enjoy the game somewhat even though it went casual mode since talisman. It still has carrots. If the game was instant gratification suckfest, I wouldn't be playing it still.


And no I try to not play meta builds.

The most fun I've had in this game lately was in projectpt league, where a ton of arbitrary handicaps limited my play. Such as no vendor, no stash, ssf, all damage mods and all mob health mods.

You can say, why not have mobs have 1hp? It's still the same game, just takes less time. Why not have a guaranteed unique after killing x mobs? Still same gam, just get to your goal quicker

That's the whole fucking point. You need to spend time to get to your goal. Mobile shitty grinding games give you option to "speed things up" that are bought with real money. No such thing in poe, thank god

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grepman wrote:

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BloodPuddles420 wrote:

I'm assuming you just play meta builds, spamming your way through like it's an idle game. Forced repetition doesn't benefit this game in any way. If you love the game so much, why are you mad they're letting you experience more of the enjoyable stuff in it? It's still the same game, with the same amount of depth. But now you can play through quicker though, make some progress in another game, watch a show, read a book. Your point "People shouldn't be allowed to do other things and still experience the whole game." makes absolutely no sense.

you want instant gratification. OK. I don't want a niche game to have that. We'll never meet at a compromise here.

And because the content is stretched out (even if it's artificial), I'm still able to enjoy the game somewhat even though it went casual mode since talisman. It still has carrots. If the game was instant gratification suckfest, I wouldn't be playing it still.


And no I try to not play meta builds.

The most fun I've had in this game lately was in projectpt league, where a ton of arbitrary handicaps limited my play. Such as no vendor, no stash, ssf, all damage mods and all mob health mods.

You can say, why not have mobs have 1hp? It's still the same game, just takes less time. Why not have a guaranteed unique after killing x mobs? Still same gam, just get to your goal quicker

That's the whole fucking point. You need to spend time to get to your goal. Mobile shitty grinding games give you option to "speed things up" that are bought with real money. No such thing in poe, thank god

Well you're the minority end of story.

I never try to pass it off like Im in the majority, unlike yourself.

Lol what? I'm the minority same as you in terms shitting on people with my douche/elitist persona except I just don't give a fuck if people are playing they should have every right too as long as their build is cable of doing that map rather than RNG gating.

Here you are going OH IT'S DUMBING DOWN THE GAME AHHHHH HELP IT'S THE END OF PATH OF EXILE no fuck no.

People like that one person and you are the minority and that's a good thing thank god.

I can ask you the same thing: do you think a level 90 character that dropped all of his gear and managed to get a good build that would actually complete the endgame content shouldn't be allowed to access it because of rng?

The lack of difficulty has already been discussed in this same thread. Gating content behind rng is a lazy and dumb way to prevent the players from completing it and stop playing. The fact that the game is balanced around a bad grinding idea, and so much rng is not an excuse. That's the fundamental problem of this game i think. I want to grind, but i want to grind for something that makes the gameplay feel good, not for something that literally enables the gameplay.

I agree with you i guess, we'll never meet a compromise. We just have a different vision of what this game should be.

This whole rng gating is a bullshit argument.
Endame is not gated by rng period.

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jackof8lades wrote:

This whole rng gating is a bullshit argument.
Endame is not gated by rng period.

[Removed by Support] watch some SSF streams, takes most of them half the league to actually flesh their build because they can't reply on GGG's assbackwards trade system to sell the Exalts to Chaos Farming bots...

FUNDAMENTALLY SPEAKING : item (Maps) has drop chance and other features that skew away from the players intention (Horizon orbs/AltOf missing your map at a higher rate than usual when using a larger sample of attempts) -> RNG Gating

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jackof8lades wrote:

This whole rng gating is a bullshit argument.
Endame is not gated by rng period.

No-one will accept that. If they do, they also need to accept the fact they are just bad at the game.

It's easy to find excuses.

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I_NO wrote:

Lol what? I'm the minority same as you in terms shitting on people with my douche/elitist persona except I just don't give a fuck if people are playing they should have every right too as long as their build is cable of doing that map rather than RNG gating.

Here you are going OH IT'S DUMBING DOWN THE GAME AHHHHH HELP IT'S THE END OF PATH OF EXILE no fuck no.

People like that one person and you are the minority and that's a good thing thank god.

Lol. This thread's title, aside from grammatical errors, is literally you making fun of a minority.