Chris says 4.0 will take on Diablo 4

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Kasapnica wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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Anton__Chigur wrote:

Diablo 3 was hot garbage and couldn't ever touch this game. I don't see why anybody would want to play D4. Blizzard is a trash company now, they don't make the great games anymore that they built their brand on. Dumbed down casual games is what they put out now. I used to be such a blizz fanboi too and would play every single blizz game extensively. I won't ever touch another blizzard game again, sell outs.

Jesus someone at Blizzard knock up your sister and flee town?

Not liking games is one thing, but I think you might need to talk to someone about how Blizzard wronged you. Perhaps show us on the doll where....

Dude... obviously you take it personally, but Blizzard have problems currently, and that's a fact. Their focus and decisions are questionable at best.

They aren't what they used to be and it doesn't matter how much sisters they knocked up. You know it, i know it, everyone knows it. Call it Activision, call it greed, call it whatever you want. That company deserves the criticism they are getting lately and for good reasons.

Lol I take it personally?! Re-read your post and then tell me which of us takes anything too personal here.

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Kasapnica wrote:

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LowBudget780 wrote:

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Kasapnica wrote:

D3 is not an ARPG, just a simple arcade beat them up with flashy effects. It's a bad ARPG

Genius post.. you guys are really knocking them out of the park today.

Cmon man, from the whole wall you took only that part :/ Agree it made no sense though. Technically though, every ARPG is simple beat them up, but the good ones atleast have some mechanics.

D3 is a brainless game, for people that would reach a mental breakdown if they actually have to think about building their character or having to understand said mechanics.

Then again PoE, with it's clear speed focus is closing in pretty fast.

Really depends on what you consider "brainless." Yes, D3 doesnt have a lot of depth when it comes to changing builds. It does have a lot of builds, but they are static.

However, it takes FAR more brainpower to actually play D3 than it does PoE. You actually have to dodge stuff, mobs can actually kill you, you have to use every ability on your bar.

Compare that to PoE where you use a travel skill and a dps skill, and thats it. Yes, you can spend 2 hours in Path of Building fine tuning your build. But the real kicker? It doenst evne matter, lol. It makes no difference. The game is so easy to play 99% of the time, outside of like 3 boss fights, that it doesnt matter what you do to your build or what skills you use. It all works.

So is that real complexity? Nothing like fine tuning my build for an hour for my leap slam to nearly kill every mob, and then it doesnt even matter what skill I just min/maxed; the travel skill nearly killed it all. Not to mention, build diversity just isn't much better. Most builds follow the same path across the tree. Its smoke and mirrors at this point.

Brainless to me, is exactly what playing PoE is. You cant die unless its some random 1 shot thing. Most everything are just loot speedbumps that you mow down with your 1 Damage skill.

Meanwhile, if I go play D3, I have to use all my abilities, I have to actually take any rare pack I come across seriously, cause I could die. I actually have ot think about what I'm doing.

PoE at this point in its life, is the equivalent of running say, t10s. All the time. Literally all the time. Thats what mapping in PoE is at this point. Theres no thought there. Its just mindless grinding, listening for your loot filter to ding.

I guess me and you have different opinions on brainless. Maybe at some point in PoE's life, it wasn't. But its damn sure the more brainless, mindless grinding game at this point.

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Lol I take it personally?! Re-read your post and then tell me which of us takes anything too personal here.

I just say it how it is, you however sound so defensive it's just curious.

I mean, yea for me D2 was the best game ever, pretty much what made me love the genre. D3 however is an abomination on which i spent over 1000 hours to make sure i know why it sucks.

If i was blindly hatting on Blizzard for hate's sake, then you could say i take it personally, thing is that blizzard actually fell from grace long ago. And i decided to participate in that thread because someone thinks that D4 will somehow be great. I mean what could make you even question that fact?

Lets see..
WoW turned into shit.
D3 is trash
D immortal and. the whole blizzcon fiasco.
Overwatch is a unbalanced toxic wasteland, filled with subhumans and troglodytes.
Activison's greed is only rivaled by EA
I mean, nothing says "GGG should worry about D4" like blizzard in the last 5-7 years.

I apologize though...but i don't conserve words because someone might get offended, can't help it.

I mean, when you go from D2 to

Log in
Level up in 2 hours.
Get you Pre-determined by blizzard gear in 2 more hours.
Wait for the same gear with 1 more main stat on it, from there on.
No trade.
No item value.
Oh look, that sword makes my main skill OP, therefore making every other drop trash.

I mean, if that is not a game made specifically for the "please award me for doing nothing" crowd, then i dont know what to say.

Blizzard target casuals, if it sells so what? It wont take players from PoE, it will take players from the special needs institutes.

Then again, who knows...we might see a miracle and it will actually be good.

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Really depends on what you consider "brainless." Yes, D3 doesnt have a lot of depth when it comes to changing builds. It does have a lot of builds, but they are static.

I have to make it clear, i do not like where PoE is going at this point. The clear speed meta pretty much turned the game into:

"What color should i look at the next time i blow up the screen."

I definitely don't like where PoE is going. But i would still chose it over D3. Im not defending PoE, in fact, im losing interest in the game constantly.

Now im waiting for 4.0 to see what will happen, but i highly doubt it will be much different.

Grim Dawn is doing the ARPG part the best as of now IMO. And there is always D2 when you want some good old-school ARPG.

Waiting for Last Epoch as well, wonder how this one will turn out to be.

Ah the classic PoE player. For whatever reason, they think they are some kind of superior gamer. Meanwhile they are playing a genre that is 1 step above a mobile incremental game.

It always cracks me up watching people flame gamers in other genre's or in games within the same genre, when they play quite possibly the most mind numbing, brainless, skill-less genre of gaming there is outside of an incremental mobile game. Even most of those mobile games probably have more meaningful depth.

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Destructodave wrote:

Ah the classic PoE player. For whatever reason, they think they are some kind of superior gamer. Meanwhile they are playing a genre that is 1 step above a mobile incremental game.

It always cracks me up watching people flame gamers in other genre's or in games within the same genre, when they play quite possibly the most mind numbing, brainless, skill-less genre of gaming there is outside of an incremental mobile game. Even most of those mobile games probably have more meaningful depth.

I pretty much agreed on you with what you said about PoE :/ You are describing the clear speed meta, which i hate.

That doesn't make D3 good though. If you want to dodge elites, go play darksouls.

Just because it has mobs with inflated numbers, doesn't mean its a good ARPG.

Having no competition in the F2P ARPG space has made Chris pretty fucking arrogant.

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AkuTenshiiZero wrote:

Having no competition in the F2P ARPG space has made Chris pretty fucking arrogant.

Tencent making him a multimillionaire certainly hasnt helped either...

Oh well, we will see what arrogance and Chinese millions gets you in the coming months / year.

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AkuTenshiiZero wrote:

Having no competition in the F2P ARPG space has made Chris pretty fucking arrogant.

I don't see how, unless you are taking his quote out of context.

He essentially was saying they know they have to do something big for 4.0, because they are, or where at the time expecting d4 to drop around the same time, so it needed to be able to compete with that since D4 would be it's largest competitor. Did you want him to go, "Welp I know we will never be able to compete with the likes of Blizzard so, why even try? We are going to just phone it in for 4.0"

What can they really do with 4.0 though? The clear speed meta which reduces the game into brainlesness, patch by patch is the problem.

Maybe people don't want to admit it, but that's how it is. It was supposed to be an ARPG with limitless builds and diverse play styles, but it's no longer the case.

You simply blow up screen after screen. It's meaningless.

You don't think, you don't look at what is happening, all you do is simply holding the movement skill button and right click the screen.

You are only stopped by oneshots which do absolutely nothing but annoy people.

I don't trust blizzard, i don't think they are capable of making an ARPG that can beat PoE, but eventually someone will.


Its also very important for D4 or whatever, to go with the free to play style. That's how you constantly add content and keep the game fresh. But if you don't control the power creep, you are eventually screwed.

And to think people still wait for melee to become viable...poor souls. No amount of buffs will ever do this. In a game where EVERYTHING including you, die from one shot, no matter the build you use.

Yes technically the game still grows, but year by year i wonder if the reason is that the game is good or it simply lacks opposition.