Tired of Auction House Deniers Advocaters

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1453R wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Well that is certainly one way of looking at it. Unfortunately its illogical, and emotion based.

However that's what happens when you starting lumping opinion and like/dislike into an argument.

I wasnt even attempting to change your mind, only get you to admit plausible alternative thought. Cleary I gave you too much credit, but perhaps I should have known better based on track record.

If this wasn't the eight hundred billionth time people have had this stupid fucking argument, you might get somewhere.

Is it possible, in theory, for Grinding Gear to design a frictionless automated offline trade system that would somehow not be botted into oblivion in twenty minutes, not utterly destroy what flimsy, fragile balance there is to this game's already awful economy (in what other game does the economy need to be shot in the head, buried, and replaced with a brand new one every three months just to keep it reasonable?), and not result in instantaneous market hypersaturation and the immediate devaluation of virtually every item in the game?

Of course. It's entirely possible for 'A Better Trade System' to exist in a game like this.

Do any of us trust Tencent to build it? Not a damn chance.

Do any of us trust Grinding Gear to build it without Tencent telling them to tie it into the MTX store somehow? Not on your life.

Do any of us believe it can be done without ripping out the entirety of the loot and item acquisition system in this game and rebuilding it from the ground up in a near-Herculean effort that basically amounts to building Path of Exile 2 except without all the good things that would come from an actual sequel? Not even slightly.

It's more effort than Grinding Gear is willing/able to put into this current iteration of the game, and without that effort anything they do shit out is not only going to be doomed to failure, but will likely be actively predatory a'la Tencent's usual business policies. Y'all think mystery boxes are bad? Yeah sure. Wait until you see what Tencent has to say about a trade revamp over here.

Better yet, pray we never have to.

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1453R wrote:

You think that the current trade system is due to MTX advertising?

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1453R wrote:

Do you honestly think that anybody in the history of this game has bought an MTX skin because they were just so enamored of the walking fashion abortions most people turn their characters into strolling around a hideout, when the overwhelming majority of trade interactions consist of fifteen seconds of waypointing into a hideout, clicking four or five buttons, then waypointing back?

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vio wrote:

simple questions for an auction house:

- where is the demand that justifies a faster trading platform? For consumable items like maps, fragments and currency, you would have no issues finding that demand

- how should they integrate the current functionality of trade tabs into this? people rage quit if you void their investment for more trading convenience. By allowing a non face to face trade, requires a level of automation, but the existing premium tabs could be accessed and currency deposited

- how do you limit the amount of trades a single person can do with bots per second if there are free accounts and bots doing the trade? Make it require completion of a minimum number of story acts or alternatively create a NON tradable additional currency that is used in a trade tax for each transaction.
Make that currency easy to get for actual players in the Acts and maps


ok, i think you will fail on these questions already so i stop here. I disagree

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brgillespie wrote:

If only there was a version of PoE that has an actual Auction House implemented in it. GGG could utilize data from that version to determine once and for all if an AH is a good idea or bad idea.

If only...

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Necromael wrote:

Its very simple, auction house would hurt the sales of premium stash tabs, so they would have to implement paid auction house slots, which would limit sales to a degree and also earn them money lost from not selling premium stash tabs.

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Aixius wrote:

And it's a snowball effect:
- a player with buying power (legit or otherwise) can very quickly buy up and control/inflate the prices of items
- the player then accumulates more currency from manipulating item prices, increasing his or her buying power
- the player, with increased buying power, can then buy up and control increasing amounts of items

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PyleWarlord wrote:

stop calling it an Auction house, that is not what you want.

who wants to bid for a T5 map and wait X time to see if your bid won? xD

PS4 trade thingie is nice, but if you simply put that into the PC version.. omg Reddit and forums would explode.

sure, it seem nice when you only have a small number of (base)items in there.

but imagine that on PC where the are 50k Occultist Vestents from unsocketed whites into 6-linked, double-corrupted Shav's.

good luck when you cannot even sort the listings xD

and also, in PS4 you need to offer something AND the seller must agree before you get your item.. so actually you still face the afk guys who go offline for a day (idk if you get your currency back automatically or do you need to cancel or what).