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ciel289 wrote:
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Goldenki wrote:
Hello internet!
Loot boxes have no place in a game, when they do not drop as random loot.
If those boxes would contain a set amount of items you will always get, it would be a package.
Randomness and real money chained together are a very troubling problem, which only can be understood to the fullest, if you really do your research on human phsychology.
I fully support any thread helping to remove those things from the face of the earth.
The following arguments hold no value in this discussion:
- "You do not need to buy them"
- "You get no advantage in game"
- "You have a problem, cause i don't have one"
- "They are needed to fund the game"
- (possibly many more)
Those issues fail to address the core problem, which is a random chance to get more out of your $'s worth. This is gambling.
If we could earn coins in game and buy loot boxes with those coins, but would not have any other way (no real $), that would be fine.
If you would offer those boxes without random items at a set price, it would be fine.
End (the current) loot boxes (- trend).
All hail the mighty dodo!
sry but you believing that those arguments have no vaule is simply your opinion
beeing against "gambling" is fine however you only state your opinion without any arguments.
behaving like that does only one thing,it disqualifies you for this discussion.
countering an argument with reason is the way to win and not saying "your areguments are invalid".
^ This. I could just as easily say that the argument "loot boxes are gambling" is in itself invalid and holds no value whatsoever in any discussion.
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Sambhaid wrote:
Mystery boxes are predatory because they exploit the same addictive psychological lures as gambling and usually gambling is regulated in most countries for this very reason. GGG knows how this works and the boxes are built to encourage buying more and more until u get what you want, they are especially obnoxious with how sets and duplicates work, it may take more boxes to get the last part of the set than all the previous ones...
With such an argument, could you not also say that rng based games are predatory as well? They hook people under the guise that better loot is just a drop away and they make money from these people who are addicted to the chase. Whether you pay for something straight up or pay for the chance at something at a discount, they are making money from people addicted to rng.
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Posted bymark1030#3643on Dec 29, 2018, 7:31:47 PM
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Goldenki wrote:
Those issues fail to address the core problem, which is a random chance to get more out of your $'s worth.
This is where your argument falls flat. It is not a random chance to get more out of your $’s worth. It is a 100% chance to get something worth more than your $’s worth.
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Play Nice and Show Some Class www.theamazonbasin.com
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Posted bymark1030#3643on Dec 29, 2018, 7:40:17 PM
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mark1030 wrote:
This is where your argument falls flat. It is not a random chance to get more out of your $’s worth. It is a 100% chance to get something worth more than your $’s worth.
100% chance to get something priced more than you put in. But what it's worth is personal. If I didn't want 95% of things in the box, that means they're not worth the asking price to me. Buying a mystery box is a bet that you'll get something you personally value, rather than something that makes you think you could have spent that $ better.
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GusTheCrocodile wrote:
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mark1030 wrote:
This is where your argument falls flat. It is not a random chance to get more out of your $’s worth. It is a 100% chance to get something worth more than your $’s worth.
100% chance to get something priced more than you put in. But what it's worth is personal. If I didn't want 95% of things in the box, that means they're not worth the asking price to me. Buying a mystery box is a bet that you'll get something you personally value, rather than something that makes you think you could have spent that $ better.
money 101, in short ?
SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
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Posted byFruz#6137on Dec 29, 2018, 8:29:55 PM
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Fruz wrote:
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GusTheCrocodile wrote:
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mark1030 wrote:
This is where your argument falls flat. It is not a random chance to get more out of your $’s worth. It is a 100% chance to get something worth more than your $’s worth.
100% chance to get something priced more than you put in. But what it's worth is personal. If I didn't want 95% of things in the box, that means they're not worth the asking price to me. Buying a mystery box is a bet that you'll get something you personally value, rather than something that makes you think you could have spent that $ better.
money 101, in short ?
well,technically nothing in PoR has any value for poe players. neither mtx nor any other parts of the game are sellable (illegal rmt doesnt count here)
since you cant sell it,it has no value
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Posted byciel289#7228on Dec 29, 2018, 8:38:40 PM
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Fruz wrote:
Not really sure what you're saying, I'm afraid.
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GusTheCrocodile wrote:
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Fruz wrote:
Not really sure what you're saying, I'm afraid.
I mean, you're using your money to buy things that are worth something to you ....
That's just how money works.
You judge what has value and what hasn't to you, and then if it's worth spending money on it.
That's how money/currency works, that's how life works.
And if some people can't judge for themselves ... it's not the fault of the system ( although some system can be quite fallacious, but it's not the case here at all ).
SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
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Posted byFruz#6137on Dec 29, 2018, 9:01:16 PM
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When I buy a new shirt, or pay a utility bill, I know exactly what I'm paying for - what I receive in exchange for my money. That is not the case with 'gambling' systems, which is part of why they're so often regulated differently to payments for goods and services.
Last edited by GusTheCrocodile#5954 on Dec 29, 2018, 9:15:30 PM
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Yes it is, it is exactly the same :
you are paying for a chance to get something in a pool of items, you know exactly what this means.
You don't get fooled, you don't get tricked, and on average you get more significantly more expensive Mtx than the amount you spent.
The rules are clear, if you buy a box, it means that you agreed to those rules, period.
SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading. Last edited by Fruz#6137 on Dec 29, 2018, 9:22:33 PM
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Posted byFruz#6137on Dec 29, 2018, 9:18:33 PM
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