please end mystery boxes (loot boxes, glorified gambling)
" i also disagree. mtx boxes make me feel stupid when i supported more tho get the same mtx as someone who just gambled successfully. it affects me negatively. also, it gives the impression of the game going downhill financially as mtx get cheaper and cheaper. you need to give those still believing into the game some hope and hope comes from stability, not desperate sellouts. age and treachery will triumph over youth and skill!
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It sounds like some people think GGG is making the majority of their money off exploiting these people who can’t control themselves. I’d love to hear real numbers about how much income they make from people who buy more than say 10 boxes. Because most people I know only buy a couple if any of these boxes. Since stash tabs, currency tabs, fragment tabs, essence tabs, divination card tabs, and map tabs do not come in mystery boxes and those make up the vast majority of GGG’s income, I’d estimate these “exploited victims” make up an extremely small percentage of total income. And how many people buy supporter pas like me because I want what’s in them (pets and portal effects usually) and have nothing else I want so I spend some of my points on a mystery box now and then? Let people be in control of their own destiny.
The only thing I think they could do besides offering people the chance to opt out would be to limit the number people can buy at one time, like a bartender cutting you off if you’ve had too many. Guild Leader The Amazon Basin <BASIN> Play Nice and Show Some Class www.theamazonbasin.com Last edited by mark1030#3643 on Dec 27, 2018, 7:18:33 PM
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" Should we forbid drinking alcohol also because some people are addicted to it ? ffs, if you aren't a kid, you are supposed to make your own decisions. ... or are you a kid ? " It isn't desperate imho, I'm more than happy to get a free mtx once in a while, it somewhat jeeps me interested I'm sure, and those boxes are pretty much the only way to do that smartly. SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading. Last edited by Fruz#6137 on Dec 28, 2018, 3:02:02 AM
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Their use of loot boxes is basically the one thing that disappoints me about GGG. I which they'd cut it out too.
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I don't see why loot boxes matter when the only things that you can get from those are valued based on your personal preferences. When PoE one day shuts down, all the money you spent on boxes/mtx is just gone.
If the mtx had a real life trade/sell value, that'd be entirely different of course. Right now I don't think GGG can be held responsible for how people use their lottery system where the only winner will always be GGG. |
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" You're not wrong, but the actual value of what is being purchased is not relevant to the objections people have to this particular business model. Either it is predatory or it is not. Which is true? That's the question you have to address if you want to convince people that lootboxes are 100% ethical. Based on the existing literature and research, you have an uphill battle ahead of you. Wash your hands, Exile!
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Mystery boxes are predatory because they exploit the same addictive psychological lures as gambling and usually gambling is regulated in most countries for this very reason. GGG knows how this works and the boxes are built to encourage buying more and more until u get what you want, they are especially obnoxious with how sets and duplicates work, it may take more boxes to get the last part of the set than all the previous ones...
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" Good business is never 100% ethical. That said, calling it 'predatory' is a perfect example of SJW argumentation. Whether you buy a box or not will not affect your in-game experience in the slightest. Things you get from loot boxes have no real life value whatsoever. They'll eventually disappear and most importantly, you are knowingly engaging in a loss-loss game when buying those boxes. Let's be real for a second here. GGG is in the business to take. Your. Money. Away. From. You. Loot boxes are an efficient way to do that, and since there's no "win" option (like those 1k $$$ and above skins CS has), they aren't in a position where they should be mandated to baby their customers instead of trying to get as much money out of them as possible. As efficiently as possible. And if you really want to go there then yes, vast majority of proficient business can be considered 'predatory' in one or way or another. That doesn't make it bad business. Last edited by Anonymous1749704#5648 on Dec 28, 2018, 2:00:36 PM
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" Depends on whether your definition of "bad" is limited to a short-term profitability scale. People don't like to see their favorite company engage in predatory behavior, is that really such a surprise? Like you, I am a pragmatist. I know that businesses are supposed to make money. Incidentally, PR and branding are both huge money makers. I'm sure you know this aleady. Both are highly relevant to this discussion. Wash your hands, Exile!
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" I agree. Even people like me who takes it pretty far usually, end up not actually spending THAT much more than we otherwise would have, buying it all from the store at full price. That's just how expensive MTX are on PoE. So even in the worst case, they're still not all that bad. My problem lies with the principle of them existing in the first place though. I think it would do the artists work a lot more justice just having it in the store, for sale at full price on the day of release, without tainting it with the notion of gambling, no matter how fair. Just like I support GGG and PoE directly through supporter packs, I'd prefer to support their artists directly, rather than my own weaknesses. Yes, I could and should wait 4 months if I just want to do that, but that's a long time and these MTX are pretty awesome. Just like the game draws me into the grind, as do the boxes, and we're full circle again. Carry on my waypoint son, there'll be peace when maps are done.
Lay your portal gem to rest, don't you die no more. 'Cause it's a bitter sweet symphony this league. Try to make maps meet, you're a slave to the meta, then you leave. |
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