Got scammed for the first time. Sucks :(

Question to Vresiberba and Earthslug

You think GGG should put resources into actively Investigating scam reports and banning scammers? If you do, how do you justify the huge waste of time, money and resources it would cost them? The system we currently have is 100% scam proof if you pay attention.

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golan4840 wrote:

Question to Vresiberba and Earthslug

You think GGG should put resources into actively Investigating scam reports and banning scammers? If you do, how do you justify the huge waste of time, money and resources it would cost them? The system we currently have is 100% scam proof if you pay attention.

To answer your question:
YES

Have you read the entire thread or just last 3 posts and base your opinion on that?

GGG asked to file a complaint through mail and they will investigate.
Look my supporter pack, look yours,

Who do you think that pays for their recources?
What did the russian scammer pay: NADA

So yeah, I'm fkng good with having them actively hunting scammers after a report.
If they ban him, I'll even add 20$ for their delivery pizza jar

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golan4840 wrote:

You think GGG should put resources into actively Investigating scam reports and banning scammers?

No. I don't think they should for reasons explained in an earlier post.

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golan4840 wrote:

The system we currently have is 100% scam proof if you pay attention.

Well, not really, but that's not the point. The point is that the OP didn't do anything wrong and the point is that 100% of the blame lies on the thief.

It's that easy.

GGG doesn't care. They can't. It would be too expensive for them to care. They would rather lose 100 honest players, than to spend the time and resources to find a dishonest one.

You see posts like this every league, more than once. It has always been a part of the game. It is more than likely (imo) not economically feasible for them to do anything about it, or they would have a long time ago. I don't think they all hang around the office and laugh every time someone gets scammed, I just think they have more important things to do with their limited time, and a scammed player is pretty low, if not completely absent from that list.

It's just the way it is. You are not that important to them.

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Vresiberba wrote:

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luci713 wrote:

It was your own fault though

No, it's never your fault when you're scammed. Fault implies you did something wrong, and unless trading in PoE is wrong, OP did nothing that would constitute being at fault.

A fair trade consists of you and someone else agreeing that what is in the trade windows is a worthy deal and then confirming it with the checkmark boxes. There are no other consumer protections in Wraeclast.

When you're trading for a unique item and you don't even read the name (WHICH IS ALWAYS THE SAME) then it does in fact become "your fault" if you don't get what you want after agreeing to trade. The "fault" in this case would be not confirming the name of the item you agreed was worthy of your currency, and then clicking the checkmark anyway.

The tools are there to ensure this doesn't happen 100% of the time.

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Vresiberba wrote:

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golan4840 wrote:

You think GGG should put resources into actively Investigating scam reports and banning scammers?

No. I don't think they should for reasons explained in an earlier post.

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golan4840 wrote:

The system we currently have is 100% scam proof if you pay attention.

Well, not really, but that's not the point. The point is that the OP didn't do anything wrong and the point is that 100% of the blame lies on the thief.

It's that easy.

If you don't think GGG should do anything about scammers, shouldn't we encourage the OP to be more careful? If he will think he did absolutely nothing wrong, how will he learn from his mistake and prevent himself from getting scammed again?

Well it's partly GGG's fault for having all those items with similar-looking splash art.

Especially the fated ones, those really need some purple glow or something to easily tell the fated version from the normal one.

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Aixius wrote:

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Vresiberba wrote:

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luci713 wrote:

It was your own fault though

No, it's never your fault when you're scammed. Fault implies you did something wrong, and unless trading in PoE is wrong, OP did nothing that would constitute being at fault.

A fair trade consists of you and someone else agreeing that what is in the trade windows is a worthy deal and then confirming it with the checkmark boxes. There are no other consumer protections in Wraeclast.

Don't really know why you felt this was important to mention, because no-one has said anything to the contrary.

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Aixius wrote:

When you're trading for a unique item and you don't even read the name (WHICH IS ALWAYS THE SAME) then it does in fact become "your fault" if you don't get what you want after agreeing to trade.

Nope. Naive, perhaps. Wrong, never. But anyone can be accused of this because no-one can be safe from scammers. Again, expecting to get what you pay for isn't a fault. When you don't get what you ordered from Amazon, it's not your fault. End of story.

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Aixius wrote:

The "fault" in this case would be not confirming the name of the item you agreed was worthy of your currency, and then clicking the checkmark anyway.

That's not a fault for the simple reason that it isn't a requirement.

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Aixius wrote:

The tools are there to ensure this doesn't happen 100% of the time.

Irrelevant. You think that since the tools exists to prevent you from dying in a car crash, it's your fault if you do? All you need to do is not travel in cars.

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golan4840 wrote:

If you don't think GGG should do anything about scammers, shouldn't we encourage the OP to be more careful?

I think we already have.

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golan4840 wrote:

If he will think he did absolutely nothing wrong, how will he learn from his mistake and prevent himself from getting scammed again?

Mistake implies fault, and the OP is of none. But I guess he learned anyway.

Is this going anywhere?

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Vresiberba wrote:

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golan4840 wrote:

If you don't think GGG should do anything about scammers, shouldn't we encourage the OP to be more careful?

I think we already have.

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golan4840 wrote:

If he will think he did absolutely nothing wrong, how will he learn from his mistake and prevent himself from getting scammed again?

Mistake implies fault, and the OP is of none. But I guess he learned anyway.

Is this going anywhere?

Where do you want us to go? He made a mistake, you refuse to acknowledge that as a mistake as a part of some bizarre crusade you have on this issue (I remember you having multiple similar arguments like this in the past).

Agree to disagree I guess.