Stop the cheat death logout exploit

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herflik wrote:

The funniest part of this thread is people defending the mechanism giving arguments in terms of unfairness towards players with possible BS death causes, dmg spikes, internet connection problems, engine problems etc.

YET

In other threads they are against removal of exp penalty on death that revolve around the same arguments used here and many more.

Its basicaly the same thread as exp penalty since both want to evade exp penalty. Use logic people, the same for GGG, use bit of logic.
If GGG support ALT+F4, they basicaly support death penalty removal.

Please use logic yourself.

If it was not possible to log out, "BS death causes" would happen much more often without players being able to do anything about it.
As the exp penalty could feel legit unfair in such cases ( as those cases would be more numerous, it could potentially be a problem, depending on how much ... but at the moment it just isn't ).


The xp penalty on death and the fact that the game is balanced around being to log out at anytime are completely uncorrelated, things, it's utterly irrelevant here.

Your conclusion is mind-blowing at best.

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herflik wrote:

The funniest part of this thread is people defending the mechanism giving arguments in terms of unfairness towards players with possible BS death causes, dmg spikes, internet connection problems, engine problems etc.

YET

In other threads they are against removal of exp penalty on death that revolve around the same arguments used here and many more.

Its basicaly the same thread as exp penalty since both want to evade exp penalty. Use logic people, the same for GGG, use bit of logic.
If GGG support ALT+F4, they basicaly support death penalty removal.

I agree with your basic logic. Characterizing them as basically the same thread might be a little bit of theatrical hyperbole, but I think that it made the point rather well.

In my mind, there is definitely a link between the SC Death Penalty debate and the logout debate. Take the logout option away, and I fully believe that more players will desire DP reform. And I do see a contradiction where someone claims the Death Penalty is fine as is, but then supports using the logout mechanic to avoid paying the piper. Perhaps it does not seem that way to them, but I think that it sure looks that way from the outside.

I would hope they dont balance the game around a logout macro. That would terrible game design. I dont care if people do use a logout macro, but the game should be properly balanced around IN GAME options for avoiding death. Life, resists, AR/EV/ES, moving out of the way, ect.

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Artophwar wrote:

I would hope they dont balance the game around a logout macro. That would terrible game design. I dont care if people do use a logout macro, but the game should be properly balanced around IN GAME options for avoiding death. Life, resists, AR/EV/ES, moving out of the way, ect.

Well, check it yourself, then.
Try to survive using life, block, AR/EV/ES, etc. In new patch, where "damage immune" builds were hit with a nerfhammer.

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Fruz wrote:

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herflik wrote:

The funniest part of this thread is people defending the mechanism giving arguments in terms of unfairness towards players with possible BS death causes, dmg spikes, internet connection problems, engine problems etc.

YET

In other threads they are against removal of exp penalty on death that revolve around the same arguments used here and many more.

Its basicaly the same thread as exp penalty since both want to evade exp penalty. Use logic people, the same for GGG, use bit of logic.
If GGG support ALT+F4, they basicaly support death penalty removal.

Please use logic yourself.

If it was not possible to log out, "BS death causes" would happen much more often without players being able to do anything about it.
As the exp penalty could feel legit unfair in such cases ( as those cases would be more numerous, it could potentially be a problem, depending on how much ... but at the moment it just isn't ).


The xp penalty on death and the fact that the game is balanced around being to log out at anytime are completely uncorrelated, things, it's utterly irrelevant here.

Your conclusion is mind-blowing at best.

I dont understand how you can't see any correlation even with what you said :P O_O

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Xavathos wrote:

I agree with this. I never do this because it FEELS like cheating, but the fact that I know Fruz is probably right about it being by design should change my mind, except it doesn't.

It's a bit like legacy gear on Standard, I don't like it being a thing and refuse to use it as a result of feeling like a cheater for doing so.

I'm all for a change regarding this supposed unusual design choice. Path of Exile is a brutally difficult game at the end, so press alt+F4 for godmode.

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Exactly. Would rather quit the game than use a logout macro.
It's just stupid.

If they want to balance the game around instant espace, just create an instant tp to town button instead of asking people to "mod" their game.

And i agree:
If you can't just quit fights instantly, it could be much more interesting mechanically and tactically.

I had instant tp macro back in the days, worked well, not as good as the logout tho :)

They would have to re-balance so much of the game that I dont see it happening

I simply don't use the exploit, never have and never will. I don't see the point playing a game on HC if you're just going to cheat.

Although I don't cheat nor use the exploit, I agree I want it to be removed. Because it slanders the rest of us who don't use it - everyone believes everyone does it when that is not the case.

Edit: I've never got higher than lvl 92 on HC and I'm okay with that because I did it without cheating.

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DrB00M wrote:

I simply don't use the exploit, never have and never will. I don't see the point playing a game on HC if you're just going to cheat.

Although I don't cheat nor use the exploit, I agree I want it to be removed. Because it slanders the rest of us who don't use it - everyone believes everyone does it when that is not the case.

Edit: I've never got higher than lvl 92 on HC and I'm okay with that because I did it without cheating.

um its intended....

therefore its not an exploit or cheating....