Private leagues - and whos gonna play that?

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Phrazz wrote:

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postrach_myszy wrote:

but I'm really courious about your "cheating" definition.

Mainly bots. Farm bots and trade bots. It's VERY hard to be an active trader in a trade league, without trading with a trade bot from time to time. Hell, the 10 first results when you search for currency exchange, are usually trade bots. And who's to say that they're not using farm bots too?

He's also probably referring to items made by illegal acquired currency, either from farm bots or scams, if he views scams as cheating. Anyhow, bots are cheating - and if you trade a lot, you will buy/sell currency to trade bots, and you will probably end up with a lot of currency farmed by farm bots.

I think that is what he's referring to.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

People who refuse to play with cheaters. I play strictly SSF because I can't abide what we called "tainted" goods. If you trade in the trade pools, you're being influenced by cheaters. The items are likely found by cheaters, or by honest players using stuff they got from cheaters. The currency rates are definitely affected by it.

A private league wouldn't be immune, but it would damn obvious if someone was cheating, and you would know who it was.

I'd consider joining and paying, if I found the right group who wanted to do it.

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Qiox wrote:

Over the past couple years I've posted multiple times asking when will premium custom leagues be added.

But this... is not what I had in mind.


I want to play Abyss + Breach + Perandus + Beyond + Harbinger

I want to play that because it would be fun. I would be happy to pay extra money to enjoy that fun.

What they have decided to sell instead makes no sense to me. I would never pay extra for what they are offering.

It makes no sense to me. It's as if they have decided that making money is a bad idea and they are going to try as hard as they can to avoid it.

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lagwin1980 wrote:

Yeah, totally on par with diablo immortals announcement.......

Blizz hyping up "big" things for blizzcon, let speculation run wild and the only damage control was to tell people to lower their expectations a bit, blizz never talked or hinted about a mobile game and when they announce it literally NO ONE wants it.

GGG talked about custom league years back, people were excited about them then though there was nothing other than the vaguest outline on how it would work, it was always going to be paid and it was always going to be no better than the current game (no extra drops) over the years people still talked about it....GGG finally delivered.

Do not confuse your opinion with fact, there ARE people that will play this and have wanted this.

It's an interesting situation though. DI caused a massive quake of instant rage, but it was really the announcement that did it -- the timing, the misreading of the audience. DI won't affect the actual 'Diablo 3' game in the slightest, nor will it really affect its players. It's a side game co-created with an experienced if not necessarily reputable mobile game creator. When it comes out, it'll be largely ignored by PC players.

Custom leagues, on the other hand, might be TencentGGG delivering something GGG hinted at for years...but that something directly affects the core game far more than a side project like a mobile game. If anything, I think Exiles should be more critical and outspoken about this announcement than what happened at Blizzcon. That doesn't mean outright reject it; it means acknowledge that this isn't some 'unasked for' announcement, but is instead a long-anticipated concept that will require some tricky implementation if it wants to succeed. 'Experimental' is all but explicitly saying 'we have no idea how this is going to go, but let's give it a try anyway'.

You probably remember I was first in line to host one of these way back when. I made the first official guild in PoE and almost certainly was the first guild leader with a full roster of 250 people. And a waiting list. These people were *hungry as fuck* for a custom private league, way back when economy wasn't such a big issue and leagues weren't so...frequent. They're mostly gone now, some to other guilds but many just...gone from PoE period.

In light of that, I seriously question the wisdom of this. Yeah, streamers will do it for a lark. Party-happy players might give it a go. Whatever guilds remain might try it. But what is it that *really* keeps PoE alive now? The economy. Standard is neglected and considered a dumping ground -- why? Economy. Leagues live and die by the economy. A private league cut off from that *and* deliberately harder than Standard might sound like a SSFer's dream but speaking as a SSFer, I can tell you the game is fuckin' hard enough as it is for most of us, just by virtue of our choice to not engage with the very thing that makes the game so easy for others: the economy. :P

So let them rage, lagwin. This should be scrutinised and critiqued, because TencentGGG should have to justify why they're doing this now, when players are so much more sensitive to things like pay walls and cash-based game modifications. Paying to make the game 'harder' isn't 'pay to win' but it is 'pay to play a different version of PoE than is offered for free' and for some people, that's almost as bad.

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postrach_myszy wrote:

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Phrazz wrote:

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postrach_myszy wrote:

but I'm really courious about your "cheating" definition.

Mainly bots. Farm bots and trade bots. It's VERY hard to be an active trader in a trade league, without trading with a trade bot from time to time. Hell, the 10 first results when you search for currency exchange, are usually trade bots. And who's to say that they're not using farm bots too?

He's also probably referring to items made by illegal acquired currency, either from farm bots or scams, if he views scams as cheating. Anyhow, bots are cheating - and if you trade a lot, you will buy/sell currency to trade bots, and you will probably end up with a lot of currency farmed by farm bots.

I think that is what he's referring to.

Ugh. If that is definition of "cheating", then cheating is everything except SSF, because you can't be sure, whether currency you get from trading wasn't farmed by bots. Personally, I don't care, whether my currency was digged by bots or gear I buy was aquired by scam, really, as I can't check it. From my point of view SSF is just crippled version of the game, which forces you to play particular, easy "achievable" builds or stay on yellow maps forever.

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postrach_myszy wrote:

Ugh. If that is definition of "cheating", then cheating is everything except SSF, because you can't be sure, whether currency you get from trading wasn't farmed by bots. Personally, I don't care, whether my currency was digged by bots or gear I buy was aquired by scam, really, as I can't check it. From my point of view SSF is just crippled version of the game, which forces you to play particular, easy "achievable" builds or stay on yellow maps forever.