The future of POE's speed farm Meta

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torturo wrote:

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DivineChampion wrote:

One of the improvements which can be made in this game is speed (movement, fight etc).

There's no better progression scaling than MS scaling.

All this numbers are just a numbers. This is now balance was configured, nothing more. For example, if all monsters would have 100 times more life all players would stack DPS and no one would care about any movement speed at all.

With any configuration of balance in any game there would be players who have more numbers than others and others would call this gamebreaking or whatever.

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torturo wrote:

Turning an aRPG into a clicker isn't anything I'd like to be proud of as a developer.

Genre of PoE is not ARPG and never was it. Genre of PoE is hack & slash. You should check out games like Neverwinter Nights to see what ARPG is and what is the difference between ARPG and hack & slash.

And like all great debates of the past, it turns into arguing semantics. Good job.

I'd like them to add complex AI to enemies in PoE so that players can theoretically just go as fast as they want, but it will just not work.

Think of "Phylacteral Link" but in a fun way. ;)

Every time I take a break from PoE for some other *RPG stuff I notice how incredibly basic and stupid AI is here.

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鬼殺し wrote:

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widardd wrote:

Think of "Phylacteral Link" but in a fun way. ;)

To a lot of PoE players, that's like saying, 'think of root canal work without anesthetics but in a fun way.'

My lord that sounds painful :O

I've had 4 root canals done so...

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鬼殺し wrote:

Oh fuck that. Either way, I enjoyed the game of 'tag' that was phylacteral link...the first few times. It got old quick.

For better or worse, PoE is what it is now. A speed-based shooting/arpg hybrid with significant focus on trading for itemisation. That's it really. I don't think there's too much room in there for games of 'tag'. Neither did GGG, since they removed it from memory due to negative feedback.

Yeah. Root canals are the worst. I don't even ask for the god damn topical stuff anymore because last time they did it, it ran down my throat and made it numb. Felt like I couldn't breathe and put me in a panic attack. So now, I just ask them to inject the local anesthetic without it. They always ask me "are you sure?", then I tell them what happened lol. Surprisingly, my current dentist does the injections really good. I barely even feel them now. Maybe I'm getting used to it? :P

In any event, don't really disagree there. Just thought I'd reply to the analogy part lmao

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Arrowneous wrote:

GGG can't keep the speed meta going forward for much longer. It's pretty much maxed out right now with temple incursions. Somehow, someway, GGG will need to find a way to slow down zone/map racing. Please, stop the insanity already!

Speed is always going to play a part in the meta - but for the sake of the playerbase it'll naturally slow down a bit. Incursion level waveclear speed is too restrictive on builds, especially undergeared.

Most of us aren't swimming in exalts, for currency to have some meaning some of us still have to slow down and Id yellows.

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鬼殺し wrote:

For better or worse, PoE is what it is now. A speed-based shooting/arpg hybrid with significant focus on trading for itemisation. That's it really. I don't think there's too much room in there for games of 'tag'. Neither did GGG, since they removed it from memory due to negative feedback.

Even if we take that as "intended design", PoE has so many flaws in it!

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鬼殺し wrote:

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Shagsbeard wrote:

And like all great debates of the past, it turns into arguing semantics. Good job.

This was never a great debate. Save the snark for someone who won't beat you over the head with it, old man.

It's sad that I'm entertained by this - I'm really reaching for excuses to sort through inventory and mindlessly map.

At least I'm staying out of off-topic.

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monkuar wrote:

I don't even ask for the god damn topical stuff anymore because last time they did it, it ran down my throat and made it numb.

Pro-tip: "The god damn topical stuff" can also be sprayed onto cotton and applied that way. But don't take my word for it, ask your dentist.

Source: My dentist.



Also, off-topic is best topic.

/off-topical

The problem I see is that you can stack movement speed, attack speed and cast speed without any disadvantages. The speed meta can be regulated if a soft cap for the speeds was implemented and have diminishing returns for each point above the soft cap until it becomes unrealistic to even continue stacking speeds for movement, attacking and casting. This would take care of soooo many skill imbalances and give the crap skills a chance to catch up because it's easier to reach a soft cap of say 3 APS as compared to 10+ APS in current meta ... or 50% movement speed compared to 200+% in current meta ... or 3 casts per second compared to 8+ cast per second in current meta. I truly believe it would be alot easier to balance the game if soft caps with diminishing returns were implemented.