I really hate lab

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Fruz wrote:

You know, when I use something well known ( basically common knowledge ) to make a point, if you don't get it, it's fine, I don't care.
"your work" lol ...

If you want to show everybody some ignorance on top of the fact that you are lying, it's your choice.
( Yeah, I don't like liars ).

Normally I would simply leave you be at this point and let forum trolls be forum trolls. (You know a forum troll when you have to resort to personal attacks. This truly shows the lack of depth and shallow arguments used.

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Let me throw at your face the part where you were blatantly lying, before talking about you accusing others of making fallacies :
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One word here : pathetic.

So you are uninformed therefore I am a liar? Got it.

Here, read:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1870097

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Chris Wilson wrote:

although we do understand that Ascendancy classes have been so successful that they are no longer considered rewards but instead intrinsic parts of your character

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/intrinsic?s=t

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intrinsic

[in-trin-sik, -zik]

See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
adjective
1.belonging to a thing by its very nature:

ie: REQUIRED.

Consider yourself informed.

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So you mean that you are wasting everybody's time asking questions for no purpose ? ( I mean, you have been showing quite some ignorance before, so it's hard to tell what you would know or not know here tbh ).
Nice.

What do people care if you have done merc Malachai this league ? like seriously ? Oo
It is of absolutely no relevance here.

You brought up merc malachai, not me. Disassociative Disorder much? You suggested that "Casuals" whatever that means, don't do Merc Malachai. You were clearly wrong on that along with pretty much everything else.

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Stop with the bad faith for a second, the time spent "waiting" for traps is really ridiculously low. That frustrates you, sure no problem.
But that part isn't about time.
You don't like the lab ?

Bad faith? I'm not the one ducking and dodging here, you are.

I tell you it's about time spent, you talk about time it takes, but you don't believe it's about time spent? wtf.

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We got that, you have been trying to make excuses as why the lab is so bad, showing that you just didn't understand it and were not good at it, and you seem to keep wanting to go that way and waste your "limited time" on the forums.
Good job.
Pretty toxic behaviour overall, you're not the only one around here doing that though.

Now they are excuses? You got some balls talking about toxic behavior pal. I gave some pretty concise reasons why I don't like lab in it's current state, along with a lot of other people. Your primary intent has been nothing other than to shit all over those posts and you got the delusional gall to tell others they are toxic. Seriously, my co-workers looked over because you just literally made me laugh out loud.

If you haven't guessed by now, I'm at work. Otherwise I'd be playing and not wasting my time on the forums.

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PS : the time you took to write that last post is like ... more than all of the waiting time of one of my lab run put together.
*sigh*

I type 60 wpm. No, it did not take me anywhere near that time.

Yep, lab sucks. I've now had multiple friends that started playing PoE quit because of lab. Best part is when they don't know there is several labs and complain about the first one.

But it seems it will stay and suck. Let's keep this shitty addition to the game mandatory since there is lore about ascendancy and Izaro yada yada in there that a few people care about.

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ewolow wrote:

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Waht the .... I exposed very clearly and obviously your lies
Let's quote them again :

And you actually want to deny it ?
Are you actually being serious ?
You do you have reading troubles ?
You did you a blatant lie, you did lie.
It's nothing personal, it's all about what you've said, you are the one bringing your own personal information about your life, age and whatever that nobody cares about, get real.


Also what is it about the intrinsic dimension of the lab ? I haven't said such things, because I do know what I say and I have no troubles being honest, not like what you have been doing here.
Fact is : You have never even reach level 80 in softcore, you have never reached a "character completion" point to start with, but you entitle yourself in doing something that you don't actually like instead ?
/rofl.


At this point it might be healthier for everybody here to consider what you are trolling, honestly.
And yes, you are the one ducking and dodging ( this one is so ironic it's mind blowing ), you are even trying to make people believe that you have not been lying here, which is hilarious.
So yes, without a doubt, you are being toxic here.
But keep telling yourself that you're a good guy and being constructive and good here, at this point I'm almost convinced that it is hopeless anyway.

By the way, yes, ~2 min in a lab run ( or we could compare 6 mins total to the whole game, that would be even better ) is so insignificant that it isn't worth considering, as obvious as that was, I know you didn't get it, but that's okay at this point.
And yes, 60wpm + quoting every single part does definitely take more time than the time waiting during trap patterns, unless you are being afk of course ( or putting absolutely no effort in it ).

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Fruz wrote:

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gibbousmoon wrote:

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Before jumping in, trying to be condescending, you should probably have checked from the start of the argument :

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torturo wrote:

The hardcore-ness of PoE is an outdated propaganda. Taking into account the game evolution, PoE stopped being hardcore since the end of 2013.

(This was the original statement that I was referring too.)

That would have saved you that embarrassing post.

With all due respect, Fruz, I think you need to grow a thicker skin. You have accused others of lying, of spreading fallacies, of posting "in bad faith" (a form of deception), of making pathetic posts (or being plain pathetic), of being ignorant, of not using common sense, of trolling, and of being toxic. All as a tactic to address someone who is disagreeing with you, and that's just what I've picked out of your posts over the past few pages of a single thread!

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Fruz wrote:

/rofl

I think I can rest my case on that. Seriously, man. I'm sure you have enough self-awareness to see the irony here.

I, on the other hand, have accused you of misapplying a single word's meaning, and you immediately feel condescended toward. You know how that is described, right? "He can dish it out but he can't take it." Just sayin'. ;)

I am telling you exactly why your post was incoherent, in context.

Here is the post immediately above yours:

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Turtledove wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

But Torturo is right, it has became less and less hardcore, only just saying that Lab has nothing to do here because it gives players a hardcore-like experience is a blatant and pathetic lie, since the original state of the game is about providing a hardcore experience.

He was using Chris Wilson words when the Labyrinth was released. Chris said that the Labyrinth was intended to give softcore players the feeling of hardcore. Which in my opinion is one of the stupid things that GGG has probably ever said because if softcore players wanted to play hardcore then they wouldn't be playing softcore.

...to which you respond (nearly an hour later):

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Fruz wrote:

See ? It's getting about splitting hairs now.
PoE naturally attracts people that are looking for at least a somewhat hardcore experience.
Such depths kinda goes with a hardcore experience since the amount of knowledge and room for mistake is really big.

So I would say that people that do not want anything like a hardcore experience are likely not playing PoE to start with.

This is why "hardcore" here is a purely subjective term that everybody can manipulate however they want.

PoE is already providing somewhat of a hardcore experience.
Lab enchances that feeling.
I don't see a problem here.

"hardcore" does not necessarily refer to the technical league type.

There is nothing "embarrassing" about trying to help you make sense. If my calling your posts incoherent because of your conflation of two different meanings applied to the same word is something you consider "condescending," then it is little wonder that you make the same mistake repeatedly.

Chris (and Turtledove, to whom you responded) wasn't talking about "hardcore" in the sense of "I'm so hardcore, bruh. Yeah!" but rather literally Harcore. As in, the Hardcore League. Understanding that fact is essential before you can even begin to grasp why non-hardcore players object to the Labyrinth.

Any time people are talking about the Labyrinth giving a hardcore-like play experience to softcore players, they are literally talking about the hardcore league. Sheesh. I DO feel like I'm being condescending now, spelling that out, but it seems that you do not realize this.

For the record, I do play hardcore, and I think the Labyrinth is shitty content for hardcore and softcore players both. But the reasons are distinct. Softcore players object to the hardcore nature of the Labyrinth, yes, but not in the casual-vs.-hardcore sense you (puzzlingly) insist upon using. Rather, they are puzzled at the logic of providing content they don't want, which is already available to them in another league if they DID want it, and then locking character development behind that content.

It's a fairly easy-to-understand objection, even if you don't share their view or agree with their conclusion.

I hate doing (Uber) LAB to be honest, just totally not my cup of coffee.

However, I am basically a spineless scrub, a pitiful wreck of a player and luckily, I am pretty old as well, so that gives me the ability to run the lab, "suck it up" so to speak, and then literally forget about ever doing it. Kinda like lobotomy, but less painful.

Through the time, I did not find any way to really channel my wish for LAB to be changed to GGG in any meaningful way, so I gave up taking up the fight.

I just wish someone full of energy manages to bend the right ear and Uber Lab could be reworked to be at least re-entrant in case of a crash. Dammit. Just writing it evokes old hurts.

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gibbousmoon wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

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gibbousmoon wrote:

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Before jumping in, trying to be condescending, you should probably have checked from the start of the argument :

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torturo wrote:

The hardcore-ness of PoE is an outdated propaganda. Taking into account the game evolution, PoE stopped being hardcore since the end of 2013.

(This was the original statement that I was referring too.)

That would have saved you that embarrassing post.

With all due respect, Fruz, I think you need to grow a thicker skin. You have accused others of lying, of spreading fallacies, of posting "in bad faith" (a form of deception), of making pathetic posts (or being plain pathetic), of being ignorant, of not using common sense, of trolling, and of being toxic. All as a tactic to address someone who is disagreeing with you, and that's just what I've picked out of your posts over the past few pages of a single thread!

Yes I did say all of that, I thought it, I think it, and I would not hesitate a single second to say it again.
None of it has been a tactic to address anything.
But I guess that's what people that cannot understand the why, or try to convince themselves of otherwise, would think.


Here, it started with me quoting a post speaking of the "hardcore-ness" of PoE, not the league technical terms.
One person misunderstood it, you believed that person and you just tried to flamm me on that.
Turns out you're in the misunderstanding too, it happens, no biggie.

By the way, I am not sure if you are being aware of it, but that post of yours (that I am not fully quoting) is actually condescending.


So yeah, I did ignore the fact that Turtle was misunderstanding Torturo (and me), because I do not spend all my time picking up on people missing stuff here.
Maybe I should have done that though.
I kind of ignored the "derailment" from the message that I originally quoted, I did find it a bit obvious.
Seems like you didn't see it.

And no, the lab giving a "hardcore-like" experience does not necessarily means the technical term only, it's a purely subjective thing.
The lab does put more pressure than the rest of the game in many ways, and that is a component of a hardcore gameplay.
You need to try to understand that, you need to try to understand the fact that the lab isn't just trying to replace the hardcore league ( technical term this time, just in case ... ), it is actually not relevant. There is one similarity between the labyrinth and the hardcore league ( technical term again here ), only one.
The labyrinth itself is much more than just one thing.


What is condescending isn't the argument, it seldom is usually, it is the way you put your answer.
But it's okay, I was just pointing it out so that you would know, one can be condescending without doing it on purpose, maybe you were, no need to get offended, this is just an internet forum about a video game.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

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goetzjam wrote:

The boss isn't over tuned you simply don't have enough experience it seems like to understand the mechanics around him.



My main point being is the game is easier now then ever before, easier to get items (more frequent drops), easier to get currency, easier to trade, easier to get more power (jewels, ect), more powerful uniques and to top it off the lab provides a massive amount of power for the time invested, probably the largest amount of power you can get per time invested.

The point is not if the lab is easy or hard. It's that it is a different game then the rest of POE and a lot of people simply do not enjoy it. Personally I dislike it a lot. I also dislike the second half of Act 4 even more.

I am hoping that GGG doesn't screw up 3.0. They have a bad habit of simply leaving broken content in the game while working on the new shiny.

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RannXeroxx wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

The boss isn't over tuned you simply don't have enough experience it seems like to understand the mechanics around him.



My main point being is the game is easier now then ever before, easier to get items (more frequent drops), easier to get currency, easier to trade, easier to get more power (jewels, ect), more powerful uniques and to top it off the lab provides a massive amount of power for the time invested, probably the largest amount of power you can get per time invested.

The point is not if the lab is easy or hard. It's that it is a different game then the rest of POE and a lot of people simply do not enjoy it. Personally I dislike it a lot. I also dislike the second half of Act 4 even more.

I am hoping that GGG doesn't screw up 3.0. They have a bad habit of simply leaving broken content in the game while working on the new shiny.

The lab isn't going anywhere in 3.0.0, and what you called "broken content" isn't actually broken, nor it is a big enough "problem" for GGG to consider changing it for now.