Even Wyatt Chang understood why instant leech is a terrible mechanic

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

sure, people will still cry about though right? That might even make them cry more, omg have to play X build and have X items to do endgame content etc. You dont need vp to do any content right now, the difference between vp and not vp atm is not vp has to take 1 step to the side rather than stand in the shaper beam while they dps, and that 1 step to the side is enough for people to say its vp or bust.

'people will cry' is a generic blanket statement.

if theres a build that cant die but cant do damage to kill a boss in half an hour, its balanced enough, and twice so in current iteration of the game.

if theres a build that cant do damage but can permanently CC content for other party (ie, old freeze mine), then it's a problem.

if a mechanic becomes the go-to, least resistant path and by far the easiest and efficient way to trivialize one of the most important things in the game (defense) while also jacking the other important thing (offense), it's a HUGE problem.

if something is utilized, used so much its probably too good (and in 99% cases it IS) in terms of cost and benefit, and undermines the things that are even more important than defense or offense: CHOICE.

"We don't need insta-leech, we must learn to evade attacks".. Go on, play with something like Cyclone skill and evade boss'es attacks. Evasion without instaleech in this game are completely sux, one single lag or desync will kill you and no matter how good you are.

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bSun0000 wrote:

"We don't need insta-leech, we must learn to evade attacks".. Go on, play with something like Cyclone skill and evade boss'es attacks. Evasion without instaleech in this game are completely sux, one single lag or desync will kill you and no matter how good you are.

How does instant uncapped leech prevent death by desync or lag?

P.

Good post.

What actions are necessary if leech>massive damage? Nothing (you are immortal). What actions are necessary if massive damage>leech? Evade(run) and atk. Where is the tank? Attack, and heal, and nerf, and buff, use tactics, and everything to resist while do damage (aka fight, battle)? Dead because hk and anti hk enviroment (like some shooter games and actual POE pvp).

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mrpetrov wrote:

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bSun0000 wrote:

"We don't need insta-leech, we must learn to evade attacks".. Go on, play with something like Cyclone skill and evade boss'es attacks. Evasion without instaleech in this game are completely sux, one single lag or desync will kill you and no matter how good you are.

How does instant uncapped leech prevent death by desync or lag?

P.

> You are in fight
> Got desync or lag
> HP\ES drops to <5%

> Next hit with insta-leech saves your ass
> ..or lvl1 green slime teleports you back to HO.

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JohnNamikaze wrote:

Once 1.0 hit, I can only run hatred + vitality + purity (nerfed) + grace since it was better than determination with IR, because of all the auras except clarity were % based reservation. LL aurabots were still able to run all the auras back then and even with 1.0 change, thry still ran almost all of them.

and they still do: https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/5ijd4n/how_many_auras_do_you_run_all_14/

Interestingly enough, we've never had this hooha about Vaal pact back when it was it located at the bottom of the tree, when leech values were higher (and so even with VP's leech is halved it wasn't an issue). This was despite reflect doing a lot of damage back then.

Currently, life regen just isn't significant enough to warrant it being a strong enough downside on VP.

Just move VP back down to the bottom of the tree so most glass cannon builds will have to give up dps to get to it (because let's face it, VP is a defensive option, so you should have to give up dps to get to it. Also this will make it tougher to stack dps without any downside at all), boost leech numbers back up, boost leech rate, give Vaal pact its "leech is halved" back and boost life regen nodes with a possible new keystone to boost it much higher at the cost of no leech.

Ofc it's possible that we'll just shift meta from leech VP to regen instead of achieving any proper balance in the game, but let's face it: GGG's priority has never been about achieving proper/perfect balance. They have always just shifted meta around so ppl don't get bored.

That said, Monster damage, one shots and defences should also be looked at and reworked, but that alone isn't gonna curb VP's current popularity and the no-brainer choice which it currently is for CI/ES builds.

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bSun0000 wrote:

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mrpetrov wrote:

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bSun0000 wrote:

"We don't need insta-leech, we must learn to evade attacks".. Go on, play with something like Cyclone skill and evade boss'es attacks. Evasion without instaleech in this game are completely sux, one single lag or desync will kill you and no matter how good you are.

How does instant uncapped leech prevent death by desync or lag?

P.

> You are in fight
> Got desync or lag
> HP\ES drops to <5%

> Next hit with insta-leech saves your ass
> ..or lvl1 green slime teleports you back to HO.

thats pretty crappy logic.

you have to actually hit something if you desync to leech. now I know we're in a time where you hit like 3/4 of the screen, but still

life flasks are actually way better for desync, believe it or not. mashing the life flasks isnt conditional on hitting something.

oh and people need to stop making excuses. bu-bu one-shots, bu-bu monsters hitting hard. they're SUPPOSED TO in the high level maps. its not SUPPOSED to be a gentle stroking of your partners vagina or a walk in the park.

by utilizing VP you're willingly cheating yourself out of that 'dangerous' experience and then you're proud of it, smh.