Pay 2 Win Premium Tabs Features - why GGG lies
" Whether you agree or not, the post is on-topic and relevant. Your own post, on the other hand, appears to be a personal attack and not at all relevant. 1) GGG said they would implement trade features to the core game as per the community's request; the implication was that these features would be for everyone. Features were added, yes, but as a pay-only option. GGG lied. 2) The tabs are p2w. Having them has enabled me to trade more this league than ever before and with only minimal time investment. My own experience with them tells me they are p2w. Shiny helmets and weapons do not give an in-game advantage for spending real world money (the definition of p2w) tabs that make in-game trading easier do. |
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" + Would it be better for the community as a whole if the access to the main functionalities was free? I believe that it would be. Opening the trade features to everyone would allow more players to experience the trade streamlining offered by the tabs. It would put more reasonably priced (or overpriced) items on the market and contribute to a healthy game economy. + Does GGG need the cash that gating it provides (rather than the insincere debate about whether they need cash at all)? Whether they need the cash for gating this content or not I do not think gating it is ethical if the game is touted as not being p2w (which it is). There are unethical ways to make money in every business, I personally find them distasteful. I do not employ these tactics in my own business and I think, long term, integrity will bring you more money than dishonesty. + Are further trade improvements going to require that players have premium tabs? If not, how are people that bought them going to react? I do not like QoL features being gated behind real world money. I would be fine with these being unlocked in-game (help prevent abuse) but it should not be restricted by money. I did not buy my tabs to have this advantage so I cannot comment for those that did. + Were there other ways of implementing this that would have been better? I do not see why the tabs cannot be made into a feature that is unlocked in-game much like the Scion start. It limits new accounts being made to abuse the feature while allowing everyone an equal chance at accessing and using the tabs. Eliminates it being p2w so that's better for me. Semantics are a dishonnest way of setting a discussion out of its tracks. I agree 100%. I have seen this technique mostly on (1) side of the discussion. It is also the side that does not present clear evidence for their opinions but rather resorts to insults in an effort to bury the issue. |
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" Calling the maker of the game you so much love and play a liar is a personal attack. So I am calling you out. When you want it so badly, then stop begging for it, buy it and stop calling the game maker a liar. However, continuing to do so makes you an idiot. I am also not making a personal attack. I do have your best interest in mind when I say this. The tabs are not Pay2Win. You cannot sell the tabs themselves, empty or full, to another player. If you could then you had a Pay2Win feature, because your real world money would yield you in-game currency. If GGG were to sell you graphics cards for a low price would this also help you to play better. It still would not be a Pay2Win feature even when it makes players unequal. So you need to work more on your logic. Pay2Win does not mean that you pay for something and then get something. Pay2Win is when a game maker sells you something that devalues the time and efforts invested into the game by other players. For something to be Pay2Win does it need to have winners and losers at the same time. It needs to be a feature that takes away something from one player and gives it to the paying player. If however everybody wins then it isn't Pay2Win. The public feature in premium stash tabs gives everyone more items to choose from on poe.trade. Everybody wins. That those who sell the items can make a win is by far not the deciding factor. They can make a win and they can also make a loss. If they lose or win is their own personal problem. It is the result of player interactions and not the responsibility of GGG. Further more, nothing about the risks of trading has changed. It is the same risks as you had before the introduction of the new feature. There is no Pay2Win here. |
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" Disregarding your long string of poorly worded insults, this is exactly what the tabs do. Secondly, as a long time supporter of the game I have plenty of tabs to use for the new trade feature. This does not make the tabs less p2w. |
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" If there was literally no win there wouldn't even be a discussion as it would have no meaning. Like there's no discussion on how p2w ff8 is for example. No body has ever argued about ff8 how bad the p2w is in that game because the amount of p2w in it is literally zero. The reason why there is any room at all for discussion about p2w in this game is because the amount of p2w is not zero. Last edited by GeorgAnatoly#4189 on Apr 4, 2016, 8:10:53 AM
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Currency stash tabs are even worse, because now they can later add: map stash, card stash, gem stash, etc. Now, you buy just currency stash and save so many space, that even standard 4 tabs can be enough. Two big changes in stash and both of them are for money :/ Currency stash should be something obvious and free. Limit of stack - that's a different story. Default 100, you pay, you can have more, that's okay, but things like now... They just milk money for features, they had failed in the past.
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" Let's make this a bit more interesting... A new player comes into the game. He opens the cash shop and buys a blue frog. He sees another player standing in town and starts talking to him... New player with blue frog: "Hey, look! I've got a blue frog and you don't. I win, you lose." Clearly, the new player thinks it is a win and that the other player has the loss. Does this make it Pay2Win? Or is the kid just not being serious? What do you think? |
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" No. None of your time you have spend on the game is lost. You only don't get access to a new feature. That's just you being envious, but you didn't lose anything. |
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" Envious of what exactly? Learn to read. I have the tabs; they are still p2w. |
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" I don't know of what. Only you will know. And no, owning tabs doesn't make it Pay2Win either. Maybe don't try so hard? |
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