I am a scammer - Account locked?

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Gary_GGG wrote:

We can't comment on specific players or instances that have happened previously. The accounts team does however look into accusations of scamming. My post was made in regards to people wanting to know if they or other people can get banned if they engage in scamming.

Without providing specific case examples involving other players, it would be beneficial to the playerbase as a whole if we knew what types of actions are classified as potentially bannable scamming.

For a long time there was an outcry over HC griefing, where players would use bandit quests to kill HC players. In a way this is a scam because they are going back on their word to help a player with a quest, and in many cases (and years go) people paid a fee for bandit service, so they lost their character and the upfront fee they paid. GGG did nothing about that, despite very long complaint threads. This is fundamentally identical to going back on your word for ID service, coin purchase finders fee, map portal scams, etc.

Heck there was a time when players used bugs to quickly swap out items in trade windows (before you added the mouse over protections and cooldowns), and you didn't punish those scammers either. In fact I'm pretty sure GGG allowed some of them to change their account names.

I can accept that polices change (I've been on the side of punishing/disincentivizing really negative player behavior that leads to a toxic gameplay environment), but we need clear rules.

Edit (another example): cross-realm trade scams (HC to SC trades) - have always been at our own risk. There have been innumerable cross realm trade scams that GGG hasn't punished.

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Chris wrote:

We receive many complaints per day where players have scammed each other and not fulfilled their side of a cross-league trade.
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We will allow this type of trade but we make no promises that the people you're trading with are going to give you what you wanted. Cross-league trades are performed at your own risk. There is nothing we can do if someone scams you. Do not trade items between leagues that you are not fully prepared to lose.

By not ever punishing those scammers, and by explicitly stating the bolded line, you're sending a mixed message now by saying scamming can get you banned. Again, fundamentally, the standard to hardcore trading scams are identical to what the OP did with fake cardio deal finder fees.

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Vhlad wrote:

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Gary_GGG wrote:

We can't comment on specific players or instances that have happened previously. The accounts team does however look into accusations of scamming. My post was made in regards to people wanting to know if they or other people can get banned if they engage in scamming.

Without providing specific case examples involving other players, it would be beneficial to the playerbase as a whole if we knew what types of actions are classified as potentially bannable scamming.

For a long time there was an outcry over HC griefing, where players would use bandit quests to kill HC players. In a way this is a scam because they are going back on their word to help a player with a quest, and in many cases (and years go) people paid a fee for bandit service, so they lost their character and the upfront fee they paid. GGG did nothing about that, despite very long complaint threads. This is fundamentally identical to going back on your word for ID service, coin purchase finders fee, map portal scams, etc.

Heck there was a time when players used bugs to quickly swap out items in trade windows (before you added the mouse over protections and cooldowns), and you didn't punish those scammers either. In fact I'm pretty sure GGG allowed some of them to change their account names.

I can accept that polices change (I've been on the side of punishing/disincentivizing really negative player behavior that leads to a toxic gameplay environment), but we need clear rules.

Edit (another example): cross-realm trade scams (HC to SC trades) - have always been at our own risk. There have been innumerable cross realm trade scams that GGG hasn't punished.

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Chris wrote:

We receive many complaints per day where players have scammed each other and not fulfilled their side of a cross-league trade.
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We will allow this type of trade but we make no promises that the people you're trading with are going to give you what you wanted. Cross-league trades are performed at your own risk. There is nothing we can do if someone scams you. Do not trade items between leagues that you are not fully prepared to lose.

By not ever punishing those scammers, and by explicitly stating that kind of scamming will never be punished, you're sending a mixed message now by saying scamming can get you banned.

that right there is the worst, because we've seen countless times on reddit huge posts how GGG goes out of their way to protect PROVEN known scammers, name changes, moving characters, transfering mtxs/support packs, removing posts about them literally instantly on the forums, and now out of the fucking blue moon they come out saying "they always permanently banned players for scamming" lol you wat mate?

And everything on reddit is true right?

Listen.. i come from the days of ultima online,where the world was ruthless and you could pull scams that dwarf anything you can find in this game. But scamming for 7 hours straight is different, scamming on occasion or if the situation presents itself is one thing... but spending 7 hours in one sitting scamming is ban worthy imo. All you are doing at that point is full time trolling. 30 day ban or more

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Accountlocked wrote:

[...]Im happy to give them time although it is frustrating ofc,who knows how they will chose to resolve the issue.

All i really want is a clear answer as to is metagaming/scamming/what I did allowed or not.
It is a simple yes or no at the end of the day.

Well then, dwell in the glory to now be able to experience first hand the frustrating feeling of having something taken from you, that no doubt some of your victims felt, too.

So in a harsh world of lying exiles and ambiguous rulers you now got hunt down and beaten by Dominus again, because you were just TOO evil for only exile to Wraeclast as punishment.

Don't get OOC now, plz, play that badguy role to the end.

Wonder what day 5 will bring sleep calls.

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Don't get OOC now, plz, play that badguy role to the end.

Even badguys need their beauty sleep :)

So much salty whiteknighting just a PSA It's a game gents.

Also those who are wanting me banhammered if you can explain a direct chris quote that would be great <3

What did i misunderstand here :

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Chris wrote:

We receive many complaints per day where players have scammed each other and not fulfilled their side of a cross-league trade.
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We will allow this type of trade but we make no promises that the people you're trading with are going to give you what you wanted. Cross-league trades are performed at your own risk. There is nothing we can do if someone scams you. Do not trade items between leagues that you are not fully prepared to lose.

Ok mine wan't cross league - and those arguing the but you did it for 7hours *gasp*shock*horror just to be clear your saying I can scam but it has to be infrequent enough to fly under the radar? When chris already has confirmed scamming is not actionable.

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Accountlocked wrote:

Wonder what day 5 will bring sleep calls.

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Don't get OOC now, plz, play that badguy role to the end.

Even badguys need their beauty sleep :)

So much salty whiteknighting just a PSA It's a game gents.

If it's just a game, why do you have your panties in a twist?

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If it's just a game, why do you have your panties in a twist?

I think i'm acting pretty reasonable to be honest and have been stating the same facts since the OPs conception.Sleepy though.

Please take your time responding to my last post i'll have a good read in the morning.

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Accountlocked wrote:

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If it's just a game, why do you have your panties in a twist?

I think i'm acting pretty reasonable to be honest and have been stating the same facts since the OPs conception.Sleepy though.

Please take your time responding to my last post i'll have a good read in the morning.

You have been acting cocky, entitled and proud of your actions tbh. Oh boy you feel something is taken from you and you don't know why and if it will ever come back? Welcome to the world of every person you scammed.

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You have been acting cocky, entitled and proud of your actions tbh.

Have I? Thought i was comming off pretty open and clear about the situation myself.Any thoughts on Chris statement in my previous post (3above)to try and steer us back on topic?

Just in case you cant scroll or something;

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"Chris wrote: We receive many complaints per day where players have scammed each other and not fulfilled their side of a cross-league trade. ... We will allow this type of trade but we make no promises that the people you're trading with are going to give you what you wanted. Cross-league trades are performed at your own risk. There is nothing we can do if someone scams you. Do not trade items between leagues that you are not fully prepared to lose."

*I really am super sleepy