I am a scammer - Account locked?

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lagwin1980 wrote:

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Mikrotherion wrote:

However, I think scamming is not nice. As long as there is nothing in the ToS about it, however, I also think there shouldn't be repercussions.

The ToS may not specificaly mention it but it dose mention this

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Any contravention by you of these Terms of Use or any other terms or conditions notified to you by Grinding Gear Games or any behaviour which Grinding Gear Games deems in its sole discretion is not in keeping with the intended spirit of participation in POE, immediately terminates the Licence

Which covers it under if your being a cunt and we don't like it we may ban you....don't be a cunt

Clearly their past actions have shown they like certain types of [Removed by Support].

So it's only natural for the community to respond by asking which type of [Removed by Support].

Peace,

-Boem-

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Accountlocked wrote:

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GGG will not force players to decide their stance. That doesn't mean they don't have ToS or support window. You didn't report yourself like you didn't ask the streamers if they do so. The game is still in players hands. I support current GGG's stance.

Im happy at this point whatever there stance is.When they decide what it is of course.

Their decision was clear. Your account was locked for an undefined period while you could work for your issues with them, though ofc there could be always delays.

I'm glad to hear that you are happy now. Sorry if I messed with the business between GGG and you.

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vio wrote:

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finisterre wrote:

This is not proper format to be used in ToS.

still not answered my question on where to draw the line between allowed interruption of other players game play and the ones which gets your account banned.

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finisterre wrote:

If you want those to be answered, we need the sub format known as support and we have them already.

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you mean support answered this? where?

If you have issues actually regarding to those things you mentioned above, I'm sure they will try their best to solve your issues. If not, I'm afraid that they couldn't provide "grey" answers over individual players decisions.

rules or no rules, there is never a need to treat other people like shit. hope you get banned. no sympathy for any sort of antisocial behaviour just because you feel strong hiding behind the anonimity of the internet.

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Boem wrote:

Clearly their past actions have shown they like certain types of [Removed by Support].

So it's only natural for the community to respond by asking which type of [Removed by Support].

Peace,
-Boem-

Precisely, for instance many people disliked a player named ARPGfan for something similar. GGG did not punish him, instead they just changed his forum name.

It was a pretty big deal, because many high-profile forumers disliked him due to how he had "exploited" their trust.

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SaiyanZ wrote:

GGG can't give clear rules or they will have to list every possible scamming situation. There will always be something they will miss that people will take advantage of. It is thus better to be vague with the rules to allow banning for any scummy situation and let people decide for themselves on what is a scam and what is just a good deal. Use your common sense.

Think it has far more to do that in the past GGG has not been consistent with how they punish scams: they've punished some and they haven't punished others. So if they give clear rules now, they would have to deal with all those past cases and they just don't feel like doing that.

To the OP:
I think your characters should be dismembered and thrown to Devourers in the Sarn Arena and definetely streamed for all PoE players.

Have a nice day!

The simplest answer is typically the best: nothing in this game is yours, not even in the sense of a unique build being your intellectual property. GGG owns all that as stated in the ToS, regardless of what rules are actually written down or other rules that aren't actually written down it's much easier to not write down every single rule because then people will say "But does this apply? Does this? But this isn't that exact situation!" etc etc etc.


If you go and read ANY game ToS every single one that isn't a single player game will uphold the right to remove your access from the game as well as delete, remove, or edit the account, items, or player as they see fit and when they see fit.

It's extremely common practice in the online gaming dev community to use this in your ToS as it separates you from any lawsuits filed against you for stopping a player or deleting a player from accessing the account they play on as it's deemed the account and everything here within is the company's property not your own thus them removing your access to it isn't them "stealing" from you (which would ideally be the lawsuit they are protecting against) but them taking back the property that is theirs to begin with.

OP is a pretty level-headed person about this compared to some people currently advocating having a 2400 page rule book laid out for us.

I think it has more to do with the evidence against the scammer and what people would probably call the burden of proof than GGG not being consistent.

Hypo 1:
InternetKid1 posts that InternetKid2 has scammed them.

Hypo 2:
Scammer admits to scamming people.

In the first hypo its one person's word against another and that other person isn't around to respond to the accusations. GGG rightfully should be hesitant to act. Its not clear if the scam actually happened. Also, GGG doesn't have an investigative team (and shouldn't) and any exception of them taking time and effort to look into the accusation is ridiculous.

In the second hypo you have a public confession from the scammer himself. There is much more evidence that a scam occurred, you have fewer people involved, and better evidence and GGG doesn't have to do any investigation or review. Additionally, if GGG doesn't act they look like they don't care.

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whitelytning wrote:

I think it has more to do with the evidence against the scammer and what people would probably call the burden of proof than GGG not being consistent.

Hypo 1:
InternetKid1 posts that InternetKid2 has scammed them.

Hypo 2:
Scammer admits to scamming people.

In the first hypo its one person's word against another and that other person isn't around to respond to the accusations. GGG rightfully should be hesitant to act. Its not clear if the scam actually happened. Also, GGG doesn't have an investigative team (and shouldn't) and any exception of them taking time and effort to look into the accusation is ridiculous.

In the second hypo you have a public confession from the scammer himself. There is much more evidence that a scam occurred, you have fewer people involved, and better evidence and GGG doesn't have to do any investigation or review. Additionally, if GGG doesn't act they look like they don't care.

evidence ? come on man LOL we have seen previously on reddit tons of posts how some of the more "famous" scammers get their accounts moved, characters moved, mtx's transferred, names changed, forum posts about them INSTANTFUCKINGLY removed, people were mailing about their scams daily (i wont name names.) and yet all of them are still playing to this day, could it be that they have some inside protection since they were so clearly being protected or what? also just a coincidence that all of them have big time supporter packs ? :))

in conclusion, the next time you decide to scam OP, buy some supporter packs bro.

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Gary_GGG wrote:

Players can be and have been permanently banned from the game in the past for scamming.

I call bullshit. This is inconsistent with what has been said about scamming earlier, for many times.

You either allow it for EVERYONE or you police it and punish EVERYONE. It looks to me, that you are trying to play a scene for Reddit, so people are happy that GGG struck down a scammer.

I don't like what OP was doing (and I would never do it myself), but we are following rules and guidelines, or we are not.