[Reddit discusses forums] Chris has now posted

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lethal_papercut wrote:

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Sarah_GGG wrote:

Hey there guys,

We do value and encourage open and constructive discussion, but the key word in that sentence is constructive. The last few pages of this thread have demonstrated that it has the potential to devolve into a series of personal attacks, name calling and blame placement.

We don't want to close this thread, we want to hear your opinions and there's been some very insightful and useful posts thus far. It really would be a shame to need to close the thread because the discussion couldn't be kept civil.

Something to keep in mind as the discussion continues. ;)

With all due respect Sarah, you, the other mods and the mod policy is as much to blame for the decline of the forums as the spam artists. You are in the top reasons as to why people no longer want to come here, your moderation has pushed people away to 3rd party sites as they do not want to deal with you or your OTT policies. What you have done to me today is precisely the type of thing that has made people give up on this place, rather than let people say their thing you probate them and that usually means the comment or person that antagonized them stays. It feels like injustice and the fact that the antagonists are so prolific has meant people need to leave this place or face a lifetime on probation.

You need to weed out the trash of this forum, give them the probations and then just maybe the regular folks would start to return and you wouldn't need to be so heavy handed as there would be less BS here to begin with.

What you are doing isn't working, you need to change it, you have pushed people away.

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MatrixFactor wrote:

It's funny that in a sense the trolls have won when it comes to downvote/upvote sysetms, because the trolls care more than others.

I think a upvote-only system defeats trolls, but it doesn't necessarily defeat malicious posters. But we already have the report system to defeat the truly malicious stuff. The reason I think upvote-only is good is that in order to drown-out a post you don't like for illegitimate reasons, you have to upvote all other posts. Or if the ranking system is based on time, not only will you have to upvote all other posts, but you'll have to create them yourself: something that would easily be detectable/preventable by allowing at most 1 thread/hour to be opened in relevant subforums.

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lethal_papercut wrote:

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Bars wrote:

Lethal_papercut: Dude, you used an incredibly ugly expression which was edited out without otherwise affecting your post in any way. If you want a forum where such nasty, malicious and ugly words remain untouched, boy, am I glad you were driven away from here.

Come on bud, if saying verbal diarrhea is an "incredibly ugly expression" then I don't think the internet is the place for you.

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Bars wrote:

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lethal_papercut wrote:

You need to weed out the trash of this forum, give them the probations and then just maybe the regular folks would start to return and you wouldn't need to be so heavy handed as there would be less BS here to begin with.

So, what do you want? Them weeding out the trash or them not being heavyhanded? Because you can't have the pie and eat it, too.

Seems to me, you don't actually complain of moderation bias, you just want the bias to be targeted at the people you dislike and to favor you.

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DalaiLama wrote:

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MatrixFactor wrote:

It's funny that in a sense the trolls have won when it comes to downvote/upvote sysetms, because the trolls care more than others.

I think a upvote-only system defeats trolls, but it doesn't necessarily defeat malicious posters. But we already have the report system to defeat the truly malicious stuff. The reason I think upvote-only is good is that in order to drown-out a post you don't like for illegitimate reasons, you have to upvote all other posts. Or if the ranking system is based on time, not only will you have to upvote all other posts, but you'll have to create them yourself: something that would easily be detectable/preventable by allowing at most 1 thread/hour to be opened in relevant subforums.

With technology, isn't is possible for more than one system to exist for the same content?

One PoE forum could be set up similar to Reddit for people who prefer that system of browsing and responding. Another could be set up the same way it is now. Players could make or respond to posts with either one, and the player's comments would appear in both forums.

All Posts and responses would be part of the same database, but the method used to display and track their threading would be different. Newsreaders that can do much of this already have existed for a long time, and shouldn't take that much coding to incorporate a few other things.

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Bars wrote:

Also, you still didn't answer my question:

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Bars wrote:

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lethal_papercut wrote:

You need to weed out the trash of this forum, give them the probations and then just maybe the regular folks would start to return and you wouldn't need to be so heavy handed as there would be less BS here to begin with.

So, what do you want? Them weeding out the trash or them not being heavyhanded? Because you can't have the pie and eat it, too.

Seems to me, you don't actually complain of moderation bias, you just want the bias to be targeted at the people you dislike and to favor you.