4 offcolor sockets on gloves? IMPOSSIBLE

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Hercanic wrote:

Far be it that we use the Feedback and Suggestion forum to give feedback and make suggestions for a game we otherwise like, huh?

It would appear that our "reward-loops" run on different tracks.

Far be it that I also express my opinion as a counterpoint to an argument that I feel would make the game less fun for me, too, eh?

Anyway, good luck in your quest!

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Funkdubious wrote:

Far be it that I also express my opinion as a counterpoint to an argument that I feel would make the game less fun for me, too, eh?

*facepalm* I contested your use of "If you don't like it, leave!" because it is rudely dismissive and a cop-out. Please spare me this parting shot of, "You can't have an opinion of my opinion!"

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Hercanic wrote:

*facepalm* I contested your use of "If you don't like it, leave!" because it is rudely dismissive and a cop-out. Please spare me this parting shot of, "You can't have an opinion of my opinion!"

TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE!!1

Just having a top kek, enjoy the game!

The question isn't so much whether off-chroming can be rewarding because of its extreme rarity. It is a question of whether that reward is worth the loss of other rewards, such as finding a gear upgrade (in my story and the OP's) or being able to use a build-enabling unique (in stories others here have brought up).

I assign the latter two cases a higher priority, because they happen within the main gameplay loop that GGG has constructed. That is, finding nice gear and making a cool build.

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Hercanic wrote:

The question isn't so much whether off-chroming can be rewarding because of its extreme rarity. It is a question of whether that reward is worth the loss of other rewards, such as finding a gear upgrade (in my story and the OP's) or being able to use a build-enabling unique (in stories others here have brought up).

I assign the latter two cases a higher priority, because they happen within the main gameplay loop that GGG has constructed. That is, finding nice gear and making a cool build.

Just chiming in on this one - the gear isn't *required* for the build unless it is a build-enabling unique, and if it is a build-enabling unique being used in a somewhat more "advanced" manner, then one of the "drawbacks" of the item is its off spec colouration. GGG builds drawbacks into almost all uniques, and sometimes that drawback happens to be the base type. I honestly understand how frustrating it can be to have gear that you found that you can't socket/link/colour how you wish, and there are times that I wish I could just dump currency into Vorici and be done with it, but in the end I always feel more fulfilled once I "get lucky". It is probably why I don't gamble in real life haha.

You seem like a decent fellow, send me a message in game sometime and we can chat in more depth perhaps - IGN BerTirUmMalLum these days.

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clan_iraq wrote:

What would it take for you to acknowledge GGG's efforts to let players work around the offputting RNG of this game with guaranteed results for a premium? What if they released a major content expansion with this central goal in mind and applied it to every facet of the game and made it into an integral gameplay mechanic, letting players hedge against rng not just on sockets but on all items, maps, etc?

One occurrance is an anomaly. Two is a pattern. Three is a trend. Making an entire expansion block of it is beating you over the head senseless with it and make it dance in front of you wearing nothing but the stay puft man's hat. And you dont see it yet?

Your argument is that because GGG chose to make some game changes, all game changes you come up with are the same and them being implemented is something GGG agrees on. This is not valid.

Given that GGG did implement changes to how sockets can be coloured at the same time as they made it possible to 6S and 6L sockets, it is fairly clear that they did consider it and decided on how they wanted it to work.

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Hercanic wrote:

The question isn't so much whether off-chroming can be rewarding because of its extreme rarity. It is a question of whether that reward is worth the loss of other rewards, such as finding a gear upgrade (in my story and the OP's) or being able to use a build-enabling unique (in stories others here have brought up).

I assign the latter two cases a higher priority, because they happen within the main gameplay loop that GGG has constructed. That is, finding nice gear and making a cool build.

What you don't see (or refuse to see) is that the chroming difficulty is part of the design, even for uniques.
For example, you have lightning coil which is a huge boost to physical mitigation, on a crappy base armour/eva. Is it random ? Off course not, it's a crappy base so that the item itself is not (too much) overpowered and the fact that the item is ar/eva means a caster who looks for physical mitigation now has options : he can use a staff, but loses defenses from the shield and LC, he can use LC and try to chrome it as he need but it's probably gonna be very hard since he'll need 4 to 6 off sockets, or he can use another similar item, cloak of flame, much easier to chrome but much less powerfull. If chroming 6 blue on LC was easy, it would only be balanced by the drop rarity. And it is cool that even if it's very hard, it's still possible to 6 blue socket a LC because it creates good stories about the game. The story of the guy who got 6 blues in 2 chromes, the story of the one who drops a LC 6 offcolored directly, the story of the rich guy who believed he could beat the rng and flushed down the toilet 15 exalts without results... This stuff is good for the game, it's those stories and those events you'll remember in 10 years, not the fact that you dropped a random item with +20 life +10% lightning res and you chromed it like you chromed 200 items before.

I understand how frustrating it can be to drop an item which stats are a clear and direct upgrade for you but, alas, it's armor and you need 4 sockets, and you know it's gonna be hard to chrome, but once again it creates options for you : do you try to off color it but risk to go broke, do you rearrange your sockets to put your skill elsewhere, do you make a tradeoff by replacing 1 of your support by another one less powerfull but much easier to chrome .. ?
The beauty of this game is that there are always options. You are constantly required by the game to make decisions about your stats, your items, your skills, your sockets... and it's never perfect. That's why you keep playing. The more you simplify this process, the more it becomes really boring really fast. That's pretty much what happened with D3 btw.

Now for the vorici change, if I was a GGG designer, I would have not introduced the fixed price 6 link stuff. Tabula rasa was a brillant idea, and corrupted items also, to let players enjoy "discount" 6 links but keeping the so much dreaded process of manually 6 linking an item. But like I said earlier, it's not really comparable to chroming because you don't have options with linking. Either you try to go broke 6 linking, or you don't. Well, now you have options with tabula and corruped items at least. With chroming however , you have options.

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Hercanic wrote:

The question isn't so much whether off-chroming can be rewarding because of its extreme rarity. It is a question of whether that reward is worth the loss of other rewards, such as finding a gear upgrade (in my story and the OP's) or being able to use a build-enabling unique (in stories others here have brought up).

I assign the latter two cases a higher priority, because they happen within the main gameplay loop that GGG has constructed. That is, finding nice gear and making a cool build.

There are two questions:

1) Is chroming off-colours too expensive?
2) Is chroming off-colours too random?


Now for the first, how many builds can you name that require a build-enabling unique to have more than four off-colour links? Probably not a lot, and 4 off-colours usually cost around 1000-2000 chromes on average or so. That is significantly cheaper than 6-linking (which I personally find is a bit expensive, but that is another issue). Maybe I am wrong, and there are a bunch of builds that would be possible with 5 or 6 off-colour sockets, but yeah, well.

As for it being very random, that is true. You could introduce something that would make things less random, but the question is, how would you do it.

I see the sense of making off-colour socketing hard. It is part of the design of the game, part of the internal logic. Of course, you can leave that away. You can also leave away all the lore in the game. Would be sad, though.

I'll stop now :D


Self found FTW!!!

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Seelenverheizer wrote:

4 offcolor on gloves is easy. The lower the stat requirement of a item, the less the sockets are aligneted with that color.

Just use the Vorice Calculator:

Those (not too good gloves) have 97 int

-> Best way to get RRRR is to use the 2R craft.

Avarage Cost: 1960 chromes with a pretty small standart deviation of 60.

If you really need 4 offcolour items always do it on gloves.

Getting 4 off on a top tier helmet would prefer 3R craft and would cost 3300 chromes on avarage.


In the end just use the dammed Vorici calculator.

What an advise... you absolutely missed the point of the topic. I know about Vorici calculator and I knew what was estimated price to get 4 rrrr on mentioned gloves.

Problem is that at this point I payed double of that amount and still don't have what I want.

I have to say it not the first time like this. It happens to me every single time I want to roll something more difficult. I always tend to pay more than average to get desirable result and I'm tired of it.

Then some [Removed by Support] come and tell me Im not supposed to use such skill combination. LOL. Just give me option to pay 2,5k chromes to get 4 offcolors and be done with it.

I wonder if you people said the same before Vorici and his granted 6L was introduced. Were u saying same shit to people which were complaining they payed 5k fusings and still dont have 6L while someone got 6L with couple of tries? Get lost my god.