4 offcolor sockets on gloves? IMPOSSIBLE

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RagnarokChu wrote:

The real question is why are you going ES and making it ultra beyond hard to gear yourself (2h can't use shield, helm doesn't have high ES ect, forced to use those rings/amulet) Almost every single build using this is life base.

Because I like that Pledge is Basically 7L. I like the fact that having 2 6L makes it possible to triple curse with CWDT combo. I like how many casts per second Im able to pull out. And mostly, I don't like idea of switching switching whole passive tree AND GEAR in order to swap into life based build. I don't even have currency to buy equal hp based items without selling mine first.

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Char1983 wrote:

You could, BTW, potentially get the required dexterity by changing some of your jewels, for example that Assasin's Haste? Or are they all build-enabling, too?

ITs not build enabling of course. But I havent seen 20+ pure dex on jewel yet. 24 on useless unique or combined with +x to all attributes. But that would be rly bad tradeoff. Combined with other cons of ar/es gloves I could go with... meh.

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Diphal wrote:

What an advise... you absolutely missed the point of the topic. I know about Vorici calculator and I knew what was estimated price to get 4 rrrr on mentioned gloves.

Problem is that at this point I payed double of that amount and still don't have what I want.

I have to say it not the first time like this. It happens to me every single time I want to roll something more difficult. I always tend to pay more than average to get desirable result and I'm tired of it.

Then some [Removed by Support] come and tell me Im not supposed to use such skill combination. LOL. Just give me option to pay 2,5k chromes to get 4 offcolors and be done with it.

I wonder if you people said the same before Vorici and his granted 6L was introduced. Were u saying same shit to people which were complaining they payed 5k fusings and still dont have 6L while someone got 6L with couple of tries? Get lost my god.

I think you just dont understand what AVARAGE means. And when you have such problems with RNG you actually should not go for a RRRR setup. Maybe yo can just drop the moltenshell from your CWDT setup?

Spending 13 Ex on junk gloves was your decision, you dont really have to whine in the forum about it. This game is about opportunity cost, have some more ES or your RRRR, you cant have averything in life.

Yeah i spend 1000 fuses on my Shiver back in BETA i also spend 3 chromes to get my RRRGGB Shavs. It,s called luck.

Maybe just buy white RRRR sorcerer gloves and craft them. Compared to your gloves it might be cheaper and you might get even better ones...

what tricurse CWDT setup in a six link? yeah i think you should consider making a actually good build first... ES and 2h weapons -> really bad idea.

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Diphal wrote:

Because I like that Pledge is Basically 7L. I like the fact that having 2 6L makes it possible to triple curse with CWDT combo. I like how many casts per second Im able to pull out. And mostly, I don't like idea of switching switching whole passive tree AND GEAR in order to swap into life based build. I don't even have currency to buy equal hp based items without selling mine first.

So the general summary of this issue is that you want to use gear that will make it hard to use the gems you want for your build, but you are upset at having to pay a cost to make a build as min/maxed as possible. I LIKE Lightning Coil and its damage reduction, and I would like not taking as much damage by using it on a Ball Lightning Totem build. I also recognize that Str/Dex gear isn't going to make it easy to roll BBBBRG. Therefore, I don't use L.Coil. If I decided to, I would accept the off-colour chroming penalty as a method to keep balance by keeping the number of off-spec combinations low, figure out a different way to socket my gems, or make a different build. You want to have your cake, eat it, and not have to pay for it, too - the bourgeoisie would be proud!

OMG, just ignore rest of my gear. Point is I spent way more than it cost on average. AGAIN.

Rest of gear is completely irrelevant. I feel no need to explain my choices. I would be in exactly same position if I would have way better ES gloves, even worse with more int requirement. THe need of ES gloves doesnt make the build bad because I cant use shield.

Build is fine, probably even better than yours or whatever.

Most of ppl don't even bother to get past 90... they just reroll reroll reroll for whatever reason. WHat kind of superbuilds they must have then.

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Diphal wrote:

Point is I spent way more than it cost on average. AGAIN.

Good, because some people didn't which means that statistics doesn't lie.

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Diphal wrote:

Secondly, you are not competent person to decide cost of 4 offlinks, let alone compare it to price of 6L.

I agree... which is why I used the example set by GGG when they set the relative price for 6L'ing. It was also the crafting example used by another player earlier in this thread when arguing that it should be possible to perfectly colour socket through crafting. As such, is the best baseline we have for determining what the crafting price should be, and it would work out at 9-10k chroms (based on 800 fusings average for normal 6L'ing).
GGG did make perfect linking available, but at a steep price increase compared to the average when doing it in the normal way.

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Diphal wrote:

I don't care that on average we both made 4 offcolors for acceptable price because I didn't...

In other words, you do not understand the concept of RNG...

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Diphal wrote:

It simply IS unfair. If you can't deal with this fact, just do me favor and at least don't argue about it.

It in not 'unfair'. It works exactly the same for both of you. If the game gave things to your friend because of him being friends with the CEO, now that would be unfair. This is not...
This game is based on luck, so 'If you can't deal with this fact, just do me favor and at least don't argue about it.'

There is absolutely no difference between you whining that you can't finish your build without getting your 4R gloves and want GGG to make it cheaper, and a player whining that GGG should make Shav's drop at regular intervals because he need one for the build he is planning and one never dropped for him... NONE!

Note: I know about RNG... This is still not 5L because I ran out of fuses (after 300+)... I didn't whine even though it was 'build-enabling'...

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Cyzax wrote:

There is absolutely no difference between you whining that you can't finish your build without getting your 4R gloves and want GGG to make it cheaper, and a player whining that GGG should make Shav's should drop more often because he need one for the build he is planning and one never dropped for him... NONE!

Note: I know about RNG... This is still not 5L because I ran out of fuses (after 300+)... I didn't whine even though it was 'build-enabling'...

Ooooooh, you spent 300 fusings and still don't have 6L! 300! ...what a disaster! You must be joking. You are no way near average 6L cost man, yet you compare it to my investment into rrrr.

I don't want GGG to make it cheaper, I want them to make some different system, perhaps something like pseudo RNG where your chance for desired stat/color/link is slightly increased with each failed attempt.

BTW In case I would want Shavs, I would know EXACT price from xyz and could make visible progress toward farming and ultimately buying it from someone who dropped it.

I can't do that with 4 offcolors. I can farm infinite number of chromes and still get bad luck.

Besides we are talking about 4 offcolors on 4S item. Yet some of you have tendency to compare it to 6L. WTF Is that. It's not even comparable to what you gain with 6L compared to desired colors on 4L.

This feels like some ppl would even cheer for weekly wipes if GGG would decide to introduce them. :D What a fail.

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Diphal wrote:

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Cyzax wrote:

Note: I know about RNG... This is still not 5L because I ran out of fuses (after 300+)... I didn't whine even though it was 'build-enabling'...

Ooooooh, you spent 300 fusings and still don't have 6L! 300! ...what a disaster! You must be joking. You are no way near average 6L cost man, yet you compare it to my investment into rrrr.

Note how it say '5L'...
Compared to your example, I've spent well over the average, where you have spent well below the average.

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Diphal wrote:

I don't want GGG to make it cheaper

Yes, you do... You're not even near the average needed...

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Diphal wrote:

BTW In case I would want Shavs, I would know EXACT price from xyz and could make visible progress toward farming and ultimately buying it from someone who dropped it.

I can't do that with 4 offcolors. I can farm infinite number of chromes and still get bad luck.

Yes you can do that with 4 off-colours. Just as it is random luck whether someone will sell a PERFECT shav's (that is what you're asking for) to me, it is also random whether you can find one in trade.
The item you're asking for is INCREDIBLY more rare than a Shav's, so they can't really be compared 1-to-1 that way...

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Diphal wrote:

Besides we are talking about 4 offcolors on 4S item. Yet some of you have tendency to compare it to 6L. WTF Is that. It's not even comparable what you gain with 6L compared to desired colors on 4L.

Sorry, but it obviously IS comparable since you can't seem to make your build work without it.
Also note, nobody is using the price for 6L'ing to estimate the price for what you want. We simply apply the principle in pricing that GGG has adopted to the normal cost of what you want to do.

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Diphal wrote:

This feels like some ppl would defend GGG even if they would introduce weekly wipes. :D It would help economy, right? What a fail.

That would actually be a change in the same style as what you're suggesting, something that would alter the base the game is built on. You're essentially suggesting to take RNG out of the game (at least for the thing you want), in a game that is based on RNG... 'What a fail.'

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Cyzax wrote:

Note how it say '5L'...
Compared to your example, I've spent well over the average, where you have spent well below the average.

Ok, missed that 5L part, but that's it. I don't think that at this time 19 ex spent on rrrr gloves with just 90int requirement is below average.

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Cyzax wrote:

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Diphal wrote:

I don't want GGG to make it cheaper

Yes, you do... You're not even near the average needed...

Perhaps according to your meaningless opinion.

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Cyzax wrote:

The item you're asking for is INCREDIBLY more rare than a Shav's, so they can't really be compared 1-to-1 that way...

Again... perhaps according to your meaningless opinion. Honestly, this is even bigger BS than previous quote. :D

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Cyzax wrote:

Sorry, but it obviously IS comparable since you can't seem to make your build work without it.

My build works quite well even without it. It's just minor tweak... but there is not much else I would want to change (other than saving all currency for 100 ex and more worth upgrades of my boots, chest or gloves). I plan to do this, but after rrrr ES gloves.

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Cyzax wrote:

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Diphal wrote:

This feels like some ppl would defend GGG even if they would introduce weekly wipes. :D It would help economy, right? What a fail.

That would actually be a change in the same style as what you're suggesting, something that would alter the base the game is built on. You're essentially suggesting to take RNG out of the game (at least for the thing you want), in a game that is based on RNG... 'What a fail.'

Pseudo RNG comparable to weekly wipes. :D No comment on this BS post you've just made.

Perhaps I will just say - yes, I think that pseudo RNG crafting system would make POE better game. This is my opinion and you and not even devs are competent enough to say I can't have such opinion. Devs unlike you are at least competent enough to decide if they want keep this system or not... and of course make their own opinion, like you.

You know you can just go to http://poe.trade/search/hohikonahokite and buy them for a mirror, see fixed price no RNG.

Fascinating how some people are straight out to simple to understand how RNG works xD sad.