kill the hp node requirement

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jimi89 wrote:

So much fanboying and nonsense.

Actually I had no idea who GGG was last week. Had no intention of playing this game at all, was waiting for Neverwinter, but decided to try this cuz I got bored of LoL and the new ranking system.

This game reminded me of D2 and how much I love ARPGs, and also remnded me of how bad D3 was and Blizz is, in general. I could care less about GGG or Blizz or Riot or any devs, for that matter. I'm a fan of myself, and that's about it.

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jarlaxelb wrote:

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jimi89 wrote:

So much fanboying and nonsense.

Actually I had no idea who GGG was last week. Had no intention of playing this game at all, was waiting for Neverwinter, but decided to try this cuz I got bored of LoL and the new ranking system.

This game reminded me of D2 and how much I love ARPGs, and also remnded me of how bad D3 was and Blizz is, in general. I could care less about GGG or Blizz or Riot or any devs, for that matter. I'm a fan of myself, and that's about it.

The game currently is making the some of the same mistakes that D3 is making. Thankfully they are doing it in open beta, and they are open about it

Blizz made the game easier because full-DPS built kids with ADHD kept dying and crying about it in the forums.

If they nerf everything to cater to people who build full DPS and wonder why they die, then I'll be out of this as fast as I was out of D3.

It makes me think of this analogy, since I live in Canada. "I kept my summer tires on my car this winter, even though it would be way safer and way easier just to put my winter tires on. But then there was a huge snowstorm, and I lost control and crashed into another car. WHY GGG WHY CAN'T I BE TOTALLY UNPREPARED BUT STILL BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH EVERYTHING LIFE THROWS AT ME?"

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jarlaxelb wrote:

Blizz made the game easier because full-DPS built kids with ADHD kept dying and crying about it in the forums.

If they nerf everything to cater to people who build full DPS and wonder why they die, then I'll be out of this as fast as I was out of D3.

The biggest bullshit fallacy going around right now is that Blizzard D3 was dumbed down for casuals.

D3 on release was actually harder than D2.

D3's major mistakes were

#1. They made a massive effort to fix D2's design problems, however due to the implications of these changes it altered the game massively, and they didn't account and fix for the new problems they caused
#2. The game was completely based around AH/RMAH, which was turned to trash due to bots inflating gold value
#3. The game was rushed, it was clearly released in an unfinished state

PoE is repeating a lot of #1. The reason why armor is so useless is that GGG wanted to prevent the tanky builds that were possible in D2. The problem is that this made armor completely useless in merciless, because its damage reduction is lower for the more damage you take, and in merciless, every single mob hits you so hard that even with 5000+ armor, you are lucky to hit 8-10% damage reduction

The above is just one example

Its nice that you don't like full DPS builds, and if you really have an issue with making full DPS builds viable in a game like PoE, we are happy for you to leave, I don't think anyone will miss you.

Its also completely ironic, when D3 came out, only the glass cannon builds (crit stacking on DH/Wizard) were viable. Tanks were completely unviable, especially monk (who still has massive issues).

Note that no one is asking to dumb down the game, we are asking for changes, not nerfs. As it stands, the game is already pretty dumbed down if you party and use the OP builds

Glass cannons would be viable if there wasn't desync. Thread solved.

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jarlaxelb wrote:

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jimi89 wrote:

So much fanboying and nonsense.

Actually I had no idea who GGG was last week. Had no intention of playing this game at all, was waiting for Neverwinter, but decided to try this cuz I got bored of LoL and the new ranking system.

This game reminded me of D2 and how much I love ARPGs, and also remnded me of how bad D3 was and Blizz is, in general. I could care less about GGG or Blizz or Riot or any devs, for that matter. I'm a fan of myself, and that's about it.

First you mention the D3 nerf which isn't relevant to this situation at all. Something happening in one game that 'ruins' it doesn't mean it'll happen in this one, as long as GGG are smart about it. You're right to be cautious, but some smart tweaking of game mechanics won't break anything.

Second, not everyone here is asking to be able to go "full DPS no HP nodes evaarrr". Most want there to be less of a focus on getting as many HP nodes as possible and more of a focus on viable build variety. That doesn't mean they won't have to take health/armor/evasion in to consideration, or that the game will be made 'easier', if the tweaks are made correctly. Hopefully when all is said and done it'll be just as difficult, but a bit more varied.

Even if they don't change it I'll stay play the game and enjoy it. But I do think some tweaking would improve it by quite a bit.

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jarlaxelb wrote:

Blizz made the game easier because full-DPS built kids with ADHD kept dying and crying about it in the forums.

If they nerf everything to cater to people who build full DPS and wonder why they die, then I'll be out of this as fast as I was out of D3.

It makes me think of this analogy, since I live in Canada. "I kept my summer tires on my car this winter, even though it would be way safer and way easier just to put my winter tires on. But then there was a huge snowstorm, and I lost control and crashed into another car. WHY GGG WHY CAN'T I BE TOTALLY UNPREPARED BUT STILL BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH EVERYTHING LIFE THROWS AT ME?"

I agree with everything you just said and I would lie down and just cry for days if this game was nerfed to cater to the HURR DURR FUCK HP crowd. That said I got the impression that GGG are trying to make their own favourite game and they won't want to destroy their own favourite game just because an audience this game isn't really intended for is kicking and screaming a lot.

So the game must already be 'nerfed' enough then if it can cater to the 'HURR DURR FUCK DPS' crowd.

You can beat the game without taking any DPS passives, therefore it must be too easy right?

People have a strange idea of what difficult means if they think that red bars going up and down are the only things that make something difficult or easy.

Chaos Inoculation

Your argument is invalid.

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TwistedTrip wrote:

Reading this from a hardcore perspective boogles the mind.

This is also a consideration people should account for, because any change to softcore effectively will translate to hardcore. Ultimately tho, from an archaic point of view, hardcore players will always get the short end of the stick in this situations...