Back from Diablo III, the truth in one TLDR post

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ghamadvar wrote:

The problem is, that POE is a grown up game with its own merits. Its own style, its own place in the gaming-world. This threads make it look like the little hissing brother of the Thor. You act like the critics of D3 here act reasonably. That their comparisons add something to a discussion that may be necessairy (which it isn't). They don't. It is simple fire-making. It is trolling. It is - very often - full of offensive language against D3-Players, Blizzard-Customers and Fans who still want to play D3 AND POE. 99% of the comparisons here are full of unreasonable arguments. Full of hate, antagonising and fueling fire with oil. I play and grind both games. And i am sick to read postings all over this forum where i am entitled as a sheep, anm idiot or a fanboy just for loving a different game than POE also. Especially because this offenses always come from lvl70 POEers that are to shy to show their battle.net-account also and claim that they think the game is too easy.

No one is bashing D3 fans. You are taking this personally. My bet is that you don't want to hear that people dislike that game heavily.

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ghamadvar wrote:

POE does not need that. It makes this community look like a bunch of hooligans. As a wise man once said: "Those proud of their culture will never fear others to destroy their culture. They will look forward to new cultures to add to their own" (translation from a different language, sorry).
So: What is the reason of bashing D3 and D3-fans here? Just name me one that helps POE.

It's not about PoE. It's about D3. It's like calling Quake fans insecure because of videos like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ZtBCpo0eU

My problem with D3 is not that it's a bad game per se, it's that is a bad continuation to D2, and almost all new aRPGs will be more about the visual spectacle rather than the less shallow parts of the genre. Just look for Lost Ark, Sacred, and all those copycats. This happened to FPS in the past, and now it will happen to aRPGs.

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ghamadvar wrote:

edit2: D3 has 4 acts, rifts, grifts, adventure mode, uber-bosses, crafting, gambling. POE has 4 acts (then), maps, masters, atziri, crafting.
Where is this more content? Did i miss something?

If you are going to compare D3 with PoE searching PoE flaws, at least do it well. Level content is something no one discusses (well, except randomization, but almost no one brings it). Things like physics engine, network code and drop rates are more meaningful points to bring (and valid ones).

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FadeXF wrote:

Please lock this already.

You know, you have the report button. Good luck defending your position, though.

D3>PoE

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FadeXF wrote:

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XForsakenX wrote:

What really bugs people about D3 for the die hard D2 fans, like I was, is that this game hit's all the right spots that we where expecting D3 to have.

Witch game is better, like many of the intelligent people have said it's just a matter of opinion. For me POE is far superior to D3, but that's just me! lol

As to these type of post's(not a fan of them BUT), this is a public forum and everyone is entitled to there own opinions so get over it.

POE is better.

Nope, D3 is better.

Nope, POE is better.

Nope, D3 is better.

Nope, POE is better.

Nope, D3 is better.

Nope, POE is better.

Nope, D3 is better.

Nope, POE is better.

Nope, D3 is better.

Nope, POE is better.

Nope, D3 is better.

Nope, POE is better.

Nope, D3 is better.

Nope, POE is better.

Nope, D3 is better.

Nope, POE is better.


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Did I sum this whole thread up nicely? YUP!


Please lock this already.

Ya you summed it up pretty good lol, some people did make good reasonable opinions.

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FadeXF wrote:

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XForsakenX wrote:

What really bugs people about D3 for the die hard D2 fans, like I was, is that this game hit's all the right spots that we where expecting D3 to have.

Witch game is better, like many of the intelligent people have said it's just a matter of opinion. For me POE is far superior to D3, but that's just me! lol

As to these type of post's(not a fan of them BUT), this is a public forum and everyone is entitled to there own opinions so get over it.

POE is better.

Nope, D3 is better.

Nope, POE is better.

Nope, D3 is better.

Nope, POE is better.

Nope, D3 is better.

Nope, POE is better.

Nope, D3 is better.

Nope, POE is better.

Nope, D3 is better.

Nope, POE is better.

Nope, D3 is better.

Nope, POE is better.

Nope, D3 is better.

Nope, POE is better.

Nope, D3 is better.

Nope, POE is better.


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Did I sum this whole thread up nicely? YUP!


Please lock this already.

I laughed but its 100% spot on. What a waste of space.

If you guys hate the thread so much then maybe quit bumping it by posting in it.

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Telzen wrote:

If you guys hate the thread so much then maybe quit bumping it by posting in it.

Why are you :)

Sorry couldn't resist

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FadeXF wrote:

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XForsakenX wrote:

What really bugs people about D3 for the die hard D2 fans, like I was, is that this game hit's all the right spots that we where expecting D3 to have.

Witch game is better, like many of the intelligent people have said it's just a matter of opinion. For me POE is far superior to D3, but that's just me! lol

As to these type of post's(not a fan of them BUT), this is a public forum and everyone is entitled to there own opinions so get over it.

POE is better.

Nope, D3 is better.

Nope, POE is better.

Nope, D3 is better.

Nope, POE is better.

Nope, D3 is better.

Nope, POE is better.

Nope, D3 is better.

Nope, POE is better.

Nope, D3 is better.

Nope, POE is better.

Nope, D3 is better.

Nope, POE is better.

Nope, D3 is better.

Nope, POE is better.

Nope, D3 is better.

Nope, POE is better.


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Did I sum this whole thread up nicely? YUP!


Please lock this already.

Opinion

Counter Opinion

Opinion

Counter Opinion

Etc..

If that is the criteria for lock then forum dwellers are fucked. You keep posting the same thing mostly too. Is that grounds for probation based on spam? I would say no, but I think you are more in violation of forum guidelines than this thread is :)

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FadeXF wrote:

The OP has zero investment in this topic - he posted it, and then sneaky troll snickered silently... watching you guys eat it... lap it all up... kind of like in lord of the rings when the council is set around the ring debating about it - "osh kosh bigosh - osh kosh bigosh" - laughing at you clowns as you destroy each other to his amusement.

And still you guys continue... and still you defend it.


Oh well. Bored, I guess.

And insecure. You like what you like, why even have to justify it.

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ghamadvar wrote:

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WickedSausage wrote:

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FadeXF wrote:

Like I said earlier: a TON of personal, non scientific, non provable anecdotes about both D3 and POE.


It adds absolutely nothing new to this 2 year old, stale outplayed topic.

No one side "D3 is better" "POE is better" will ever actually "win" this little debate because all opinions are just that: opinions. Not to mention there's a large population who enjoy both games. Ultimately we are comparing apples to bananas here.

Please lock this thread.

WELCOME TO A FORUM! I HOPE YOU REALIZE ONE DAY THAT FORUMS ARE ALWAYS JUST ABOUT OPPINIONS. We are NOT here to bring scientific studdies. People will always compare these games, just like people will always compare Lol to dota, Battlefield to Call of Duty etc...
No its not like comparing apples to bananas, that would be if we compared PoE with Quake.
Diablo 3 still shares alot more in common and both are influenced by the same parents (Diablo 2).
THere is no denying that there are many old Diablo 2 fans here that got dissapointed with D3. Ofc it will be brought up since many thought Diablo 3 would live up to their expectations.

Even if people don't bring scientific studdies as to why they dislike this and that. It doesn't mean their oppinion necassarily have to be bad. Ofc there is gonna be alot of BS and each side will talk crap about the other.
Still certain flaws will be brought up by many and are hard to look past.

Does Diablo 3 have limited build diversity, I would say yes.

Does the game lack content and limited patched updates? I would say yes.

Does the game feel dumbed down and aimed at a more casual playerbase. I would say yes to that aswell.

Did Blizzard slap their fans in the face when they both charged full price for a game with limited content yet still had the guts to Introduce the horrible Real money auction house.
Yes, yes and Yes again!

Yeah sure its my personal oppinion. Maybe thats not something you agree is a real problem. But thats your personal oppinion. Thats what pretty much all forum topics are. Its just up to the person to decide what they agree/disagree on.
If you don't like threads like this, just ignore it. Your asking for thread lock based on your personal oppinion because you don't like others personal oppinions. Makes sense...

The problem is, that POE is a grown up game with its own merits. Its own style, its own place in the gaming-world. This threads make it look like the little hissing brother of the Thor. You act like the critics of D3 here act reasonably. That their comparisons add something to a discussion that may be necessairy (which it isn't). They don't. It is simple fire-making. It is trolling. It is - very often - full of offensive language against D3-Players, Blizzard-Customers and Fans who still want to play D3 AND POE. 99% of the comparisons here are full of unreasonable arguments. Full of hate, antagonising and fueling fire with oil. I play and grind both games. And i am sick to read postings all over this forum where i am entitled as a sheep, anm idiot or a fanboy just for loving a different game than POE also. Especially because this offenses always come from lvl70 POEers that are to shy to show their battle.net-account also and claim that they think the game is too easy.

POE does not need that. It makes this community look like a bunch of hooligans. As a wise man once said: "Those proud of their culture will never fear others to destroy their culture. They will look forward to new cultures to add to their own" (translation from a different language, sorry).
So: What is the reason of bashing D3 and D3-fans here? Just name me one that helps POE.

So: Yeah. Lock this thread. It is redundant at least. And it does nothing to the game. It just shows that the POE-community seems to still not be proud of their own culture, so that they have to offend others ;)

edit: It is quite funny that you only asked the questions that act against D3 ;) There are so many more to ask to determine a good game. But you don't ask them. And that's the problem. It is biased. All the way.

edit2: D3 has 4 acts, rifts, grifts, adventure mode, uber-bosses, crafting, gambling. POE has 4 acts (then), maps, masters, atziri, crafting.
Where is this more content? Did i miss something?

I have personally not said anything offensive about a Diablo 3 player. I know several who like Diablo 3 and I don't think less of them.
In all honesty I bought the game on realease and really hoped for D3 to be the next D2, When I got bored I thought i might have just outgrown ARPGS in general. But PoE proved otherwise.
Sure some people use offensive language, but common this is a forum for games. It exist in all forums. Its not the same as people offending a certain person because of the way they look or whatever.


"Those proud of their culture will never fear others to destroy their culture. They will look forward to new cultures to add to their own"

Okay well thats a bit of a stretch to apply a thing like this to a game discussion. People always have the right to question and critizce things. I think its fucked up that in certain countries men can get married with girls only 12 years old. its a part of their culture, but doesn't mean I should welcome it.
I have payed full price for Diablo 3 and I have the right to say what I think about the game. Doesn't matter if its good or bad.

Diablo 3 has plenty of threads aswell talking the same crap about PoE. Seen several thats been like "played 5 mins of PoE, IT SUCKS". Yeah its a very baised oppinion, which you can question but I don't see any need for locking a thread just because of it.

Yeah PoE has its issues aswell and Diablo 3 got a few strengths over it. But if you read the discussion we had thats not what we where talking about.
I only used a few examples of problems I think more people then me got with Diablo 3. Because we where talking about D3s flaws and that people didn't have scientific prof of its issue. That doesn't mean people can't have oppinions on things they like/dislike.
Certain flaws Diablo 3 had, especially at launch is pretty impossible to defend and maybe shouldn't even be defended. Just like people can bring up the desync issues with PoE.

Where is the more content? Once again it comes down to personal opinions, Im willing to agree that ROS has given D3 atleast a decent amount of content. But when where talking about a Full price game with its expansion, by one of the biggest developers, sequel to the most loved ARPG and has been released long before PoE. Then its content is quite unimpressive and I still feel PoE get better support.

PoE is soon getting a free act, its constantly getting patched with skills. People got a massive patch with hideouts and better crafting. Small things here and there, like strongboxes, Corrupted areas, Exiles, Divination cards, Jewels and a steady flow of new uniques just make the game feel more filled with content.
Besides that PoEs build diversity and intressting unique items and new leagues(that offer new stuff) is what makes me come back over and over. No everything isn't perfect, but GGG with their much smaller budget is doing a far more impressive work then what Blizzard is doing.

I really enjoy D3 on the consoles, its a blast to play with friends. People overstate things when they start talking about difficulty between the games. PoE isn't difficult either, and there is nothing 'hard core' about it, the difference between PoE and D3 is that it is much easier to obtain ideal loot and max your build in D3 than it is in PoE, thats all, its just a matter of time.

PoE requires far too much grinding and focuses entirely too much on the 'economy'. The skill web has become overly simplified as well, and was much more interesting in earlier iterations of the game. Likewise the orb system is a complete waste, and is basically a much more grindier version of D3's enchantress.

D3 is overly simple, and there are many mechanics in it that are superfluous - for example, the multiple resource types are really all the same.