Ways to balance low-life shavronnes builds and daggerers/wanders

Why not? I'm on the interwebz remember?

Anyway you're saying that the build is not depending on ST so maybe you should look at this: http://pathofpoe.com/builds/view/low-life-dagger-crit-spectral-thrower-w-pain-attun/

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Startkabels wrote:

Why not? I'm on the interwebz remember?

Anyway you're saying that the build is not depending on ST so maybe you should look at this: http://pathofpoe.com/builds/view/low-life-dagger-crit-spectral-thrower-w-pain-attun/

Can you please stop trolling.

also that guide is fucking /terrible/

what are you gonna link next? some atrocious podcast?

you're actually talking to people who understand coe + shav builds really well, because we've *GASP* used them!

No need to swear, are you frustrated about something?

That page looks pretty accurate to me...

accurate with respect to WHAT exactly?

YES, you can use ST with CoE + Shav

you can also use a wide variety of other skills.

we explained to you fucking 10 pages ago.

You mean you tried to convince me 10 pages ago? Well sorry but you failed and I also told you why.

No you cannot use wide variety of other skills, you can use ranged attacks only (no spells).

You're probably referring to Power Siphon and bows skills, you cannot just switch to those. Those skills are limited to specific weapons as you know, you cannot just take any melee weapon like you can with ST which gives a lot more freedom in the passive tree.

Also these skills interact differently with this build than ST does for example with life leech and with monster reflect, this is because of the way ST works.

It's not a coincidence everybody uses daggers...

And if you don't understand what the linked page has to do with this thread I recommend taking a closer look.

there are plenty of builds that use daggers that are not overpowered

there are plenty of builds that use spectral throw that are not overpowered

CoE + shav....lol....

look, it doesn't matter if you are convinced you are not. you are just some random who doesn't understand mechanics that well. you're probably just a troll. who knows.

also...

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Startkabels wrote:

I've never used Shavs, CoE, BR, CoC, CI, Atziri's Acuity. None of that

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Anyway you're saying that the build is not depending on ST so maybe you should look at this: http://pathofpoe.com/builds/view/low-life-dagger-crit-spectral-thrower-w-pain-attun/

What about it? You actually linked a pretty subpar version. Here is a far better one http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/846000

You can respond to my points or you can link useless guides. I thought I made it clear, whether ST is overpowered or not is not relevant at all. We're not discussing a ST specific build, this is a discussion of CoE + LL which applies to ALL attack builds.

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Those skills are limited to specific weapons as you know, you cannot just take any melee weapon like you can with ST which gives a lot more freedom in the passive tree.

I personally think ST should be weapon restricted to axes, staves and swords. Is that relevant to this topic? Nope.

Edit: To clarify, ST is in a really strong right now but please understand that changing ST does not change the basis of what the build is. ST actually has mediocre single target DPS usually but that does not matter when it's mobile, ranged and overkilling. That is why it's used. ST is also cheaper than the wand variation which is superior in many ways(free charges, higher crit,chain). I'm not going to post more on this since I think I've explained enough.

Did I say daggers are overpowerd? No
Did I say ST is overpowered? No, but it's overpowered in the context of melee builds because of this design flaw

I said ST is designed wrong and that the build you're talking about, which is not just CoE + LL, benefits a lot from this design flaw and I just told you how. ST is very much linked to your discussion but over and over people are somehow taking elements out of context.

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/982844

Also, again, I'm not against nerfs to LL, Shavs, BR or CoE, I just think you're ignorant and or stubborn.

The version you linked of LL Spec was from domination. Back then, people didn't have such an idea of how to exploit CoE/LL to the fullest and they typically only pulled ~50k GMP - now it's completely different and those numbers are out of the water.

If you're basing speculation on that build, it's gunna have some inaccuracies.

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Startkabels wrote:

Did I say daggers are overpowerd? No
Did I say ST is overpowered? No, but it's overpowered in the context of melee builds because of this design flaw

I said ST is designed wrong and that the build you're talking about, which is not just CoE + LL, benefits a lot from this design flaw and I just told you how. ST is very much linked to your discussion but over and over people are somehow taking elements out of context.

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/982844

Also, again, I'm not against nerfs to LL, Shavs, BR or CoE, I just think you're ignorant and or stubborn.

this thread focus on shave + coe. is it so hard to understand? also there are many thread that focus on talking about ST.