A factor of inflation and why the economy is NOT WORKING

Yo, what's crafting? Doesn't everyone pick up the peasant orbs off the ground until they have enough to trade for an average item?

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chromafunk wrote:

I will stop it then. My next objective would be to craft boots ( as I can't buy decent ones that fits what I want to do )

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Well, you already cleared the glyphic + t1 suffix hurdle. I guess whether or not to carry on depends on whether you're going for max additional block chance as well. I think it would be a struggle, but idk, you could get lucky. Certainly worth eternal/regaling once or twice to see what happens if you have enough currency to be able to take the loss if it doesn't work out.

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is it hard to get max STR along with 30% movespeed on hybrid boots ? Are ES rolls harder to get on hybrid boots than on regular boots ?

I don't know the exact probabilities for boots as they aren't listed in that page I just linked to, but some basic info that anyone can see:
http://poemods.com/index.php?item_type=boots
If you count the possible prefixes for pure es boots vs es/ev hybrid, you'll see that there is an extra possible affix for the hybrid (8 possible prefixes for the hybrid vs 7 for pure ES). That means we can assume any of the 8 prefixes on the hybrid would have a slightly lower relative individual chance of being rolled than the 7 possible affixes on the pure ES version.

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Okay brah, do you have 200 eternals? If the answer is no - then stop crafting the shield.

Invalesco's guide is really nice but imho - it doesn't come with practical examples, I could give you a billion examples of how I alt-regalled a ring whilst levelling at the start of a league and it was better than anything available to buy (life, res, boom)

I had 40 eternals once, now I don't anymore :D

May I add you ingame both ingame guys, I need some info about this in detail if you don't mind to answer from time to time.

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I don't know the exact probabilities for boots as they aren't listed in that page I just linked to, but some basic info that anyone can see:
http://poemods.com/index.php?item_type=boots
If you count the possible prefixes for pure es boots vs es/ev hybrid, you'll see that there is an extra possible affix for the hybrid (8 possible prefixes for the hybrid vs 7 for pure ES). That means we can assume any of the 8 prefixes on the hybrid would have a slightly lower relative individual chance of being rolled than the 7 possible affixes on the pure ES version.

Yeah, but that is the question. Hybrid boots should be less easy to roll ES mods on, as they are hybrid. Maybe armour would be easier than ES, and getting a max roll of STR could also be not that easy. Too much open questions without the data, and the gambling is stronk.

There is a guy working on a crafting simulator, he posted it on reddit. But he posted just to ask and vanished on the shadows, sent him a private message but never responded. I know there is a way, or at least there was a way to extract that data with a program someone made. It is published on those obscure Gamepedia posts along with the already extracted data.

You can download it and it works, but I fear the new client has that info removed from it already.

The only chance to get the whole data for all item bases would be to go back to an old version of the client and continue the extraction where that guy left it.

Lets stop blaming eternals in what there is no mid-high tier gear since its BS.

If you imagine for a second, what those boots would be not 4 x T1 but 3 x T1 + T2 they would not be bought by crafter, and price will be same 12 ex, yet they will be perfectly fine. I say that quite realistic case. So why we can't find gear? Demand much higher than supply. And if you ever crafted, you should know how unlikely what game generate such "perfect" items.

From what I know the guy datamined the sets for those specific bases, but GGG has already stated that they don't like people going through their client data and retrieving info like this - I guess part of the RNG of crafting is to let the players figure it out for themselves.

There's enough gathered knowledge out there, for e.g. that MS is hardest to roll but aside from that it's mostly common sense/intuition. Feel free to add but I prefer PMs :)

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chromafunk wrote:

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I don't know the exact probabilities for boots as they aren't listed in that page I just linked to, but some basic info that anyone can see:
http://poemods.com/index.php?item_type=boots
If you count the possible prefixes for pure es boots vs es/ev hybrid, you'll see that there is an extra possible affix for the hybrid (8 possible prefixes for the hybrid vs 7 for pure ES). That means we can assume any of the 8 prefixes on the hybrid would have a slightly lower relative individual chance of being rolled than the 7 possible affixes on the pure ES version.

Yeah, but that is the question. Hybrid boots should be less easy to roll ES mods on, as they are hybrid. Maybe armour would be easier than ES, and getting a max roll of STR could also be not that easy.

I don't think it makes a difference in practice. Either way it's a more common affix than 30%MS, and as they are both prefixes, that means you're using alts to get the MS then regals to get flat or % ES or %es/ev. The order doesn't change as long as we accept that 30% ms is the most rare of the prefixes.

Str is a suffix so its irrelevant to the whole thing of trying to get max MS and ES/EV/Armor/whatever. And yeah, T1 attribute rolls generally seem to be more rare than T1 res rolls, so ideally you'd be looking to get it from auging a 30% MS prefix.

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chromafunk wrote:

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Ok I read the whole opening post but I simply don't get what your problem is. In temporary leagues, there are plenty of such mid-high tier items, because there are simply not that many people who are able to brute force such items into mirror worthy ones. In a permanent league what you described happens because there are several people who literally have thousands of exalts/eternals because it is a hyperinflated league. So you either have to get lucky (should've bought the item for 13 ex and crafted it) or be filthy rich to afford such items. Not sure what GGG could do to prevent this, they don't balance around permanent leagues.

You obviously don't know what are you talking about. Check for boots similar to what I have described. There is nothing in YZX you can buy for less than a mirror. That happens to all items of that tier. Stop blaming the perma leagues with your bullshit man, really.

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"In a permanent league what you described happens because there are several people who literally have thousands of exalts/eternals because it is a hyperinflated league."

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MonstaMunch wrote:

This is a good example of what I said in the post above about people doingitwrong. The boots are worthless, and exalting them is a waste of time because the chances of hitting 30% ms is so low. For the boots to be worth considering for exalting, they need to already have the MS because that's the hardest affix for you to hit. That one affix is more valuable than the first three affixes on those boots combined. I see why you thought they had potential, but it's one of those "so near yet so far" things, you don't have the most important affix, which is needed BEFORE you get into eternal/exalting.

If you've been trying to eternal/exalt for max movement speed then it's no wonder you think everyone else must be cheating and that boots can really cost 300ex to make. They are crafting in a vastly more efficient way than you.

This is a good example of what I call dodging the point and sticking to personal false assumptions.

Reading comprehension, do you have it? I literally said my crappy boots (with 2c from Anarchy) are NOT worth exalting.

I`ve been saying all this time (like op) that there is an absence of good gear.My boots used as an example, 2c boots which I can`t properly upgrade without dozens of exalts.

There could be ways to improve the situation (For example, making exalts a lot more common and eternals more rare. One can still craft his yber boots but threshold to yolo would be a lot lower. Thus creating more good gear by average gear being yolo'd.)

Op raises this issue in his post and by stating that the flippers did the right thing and that "you can craft better boots with just 100 exalts", you`re actually further proving his point.

The point is: current model in PoE causes good gear to not exist, creating a huge cap between meh and good gear. Personally it's not a problem for me but I can see why it is for some (most?) people.

Posting with phone, apologizing for typos and/or bad formatting.

Simple, rich people with brain will become richer. It happens in the real world and will happen in fantasy game worlds soon as possible.
Crafting can have marvelous results but 95% of players can´t access the whole advantages of this process.
For other side, you don't need mirror items to get high level maps. I can do almost all contet of the game without it, only Atziri and Ubber I can´t. Maybe with some training and good help I may do Normal Atziri with my 91 char when it becomes 92 or 93.