A factor of inflation and why the economy is NOT WORKING

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But not 4x t1 boots with 13 exa.

I think the point OP is trying to make is

- There is no good (not mirror tier, just generally good) gear available for reasonable prices because

1. Good stuff drops very seldom
2. When that drops, it is sold as it is (since no funds to eternal-ex) and then bought by a random rich dude who then bruteforces it into mirror tier -gear.

Thus after reaching the certain point of gear (needed uniques, capping resistances, having the needed attributes) only way to upgrade is getting a mirrored or mirror tier -item.

So, you need to go from 1 ex boots into 300 ex boots for upgrade

- Now what if there were no eternals?

1. Good stuff drops very seldom
2. When that drops, it sold as it is OR yolo-exalted resulting in additional bad rolls, decent rolls or good rolls creating good gear that is not mirror-tier.

Thus there would be a lot more gear with price tag ranging from few exas to dozens exas. Instead of skyrocket from few exas to hundreds of exas.

The implementation of eternals was really, really bad idea.

You seem to understand what I am talking about. I am not raging because I didn't buy those boots, I could had bought them If I wanted to. But they were not useful at all to my build.

Ok I read the whole opening post but I simply don't get what your problem is. In temporary leagues, there are plenty of such mid-high tier items, because there are simply not that many people who are able to brute force such items into mirror worthy ones. In a permanent league what you described happens because there are several people who literally have thousands of exalts/eternals because it is a hyperinflated league. So you either have to get lucky (should've bought the item for 13 ex and crafted it) or be filthy rich to afford such items. Not sure what GGG could do to prevent this, they don't balance around permanent leagues.

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Ok I read the whole opening post but I simply don't get what your problem is. In temporary leagues, there are plenty of such mid-high tier items, because there are simply not that many people who are able to brute force such items into mirror worthy ones. In a permanent league what you described happens because there are several people who literally have thousands of exalts/eternals because it is a hyperinflated league. So you either have to get lucky (should've bought the item for 13 ex and crafted it) or be filthy rich to afford such items. Not sure what GGG could do to prevent this, they don't balance around permanent leagues.

You obviously don't know what are you talking about. Check for boots similar to what I have described. There is nothing in YZX you can buy for less than a mirror. That happens to all items of that tier. Stop blaming the perma leagues with your bullshit man, really.

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chromafunk wrote:

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But not 4x t1 boots with 13 exa.

I think the point OP is trying to make is

- There is no good (not mirror tier, just generally good) gear available for reasonable prices because

1. Good stuff drops very seldom
2. When that drops, it is sold as it is (since no funds to eternal-ex) and then bought by a random rich dude who then bruteforces it into mirror tier -gear.

Thus after reaching the certain point of gear (needed uniques, capping resistances, having the needed attributes) only way to upgrade is getting a mirrored or mirror tier -item.

So, you need to go from 1 ex boots into 300 ex boots for upgrade

- Now what if there were no eternals?

1. Good stuff drops very seldom
2. When that drops, it sold as it is OR yolo-exalted resulting in additional bad rolls, decent rolls or good rolls creating good gear that is not mirror-tier.

Thus there would be a lot more gear with price tag ranging from few exas to dozens exas. Instead of skyrocket from few exas to hundreds of exas.

The implementation of eternals was really, really bad idea.

You seem to understand what I am talking about. I am not raging because I didn't buy those boots, I could had bought them If I wanted to. But they were not useful at all to my build.

It's complete nonsense, there is no such thing as 300ex boots, except possibly max roll legacy rainbowstrides corrupted for +1 gem level and all white sockets or something stupidly improbable.

Have you ever actually sat down with a bunch of crafting materials and tried it? The guy you mentioned did it exactly right, he got the hardest affixes (movement speed, max %ev and max flat ev) from alts, regals and an exalt. After that it's smooth sailing. There are only 4 rare affixes there, and of those only 30% ms is really that hard to hit (so you do it with alts).

He's rich because people like you see him advertising boots for 300+ ex, and then you just go along with the assertion that they are worth that much. It's silly. That you would then go on to say he must have got his wealth from rmt is just beyond funny. Look at yourself advertising his 100ex boots as being worth 340ex, then come back and tell us where his wealth came from.

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It's complete nonsense, there is no such thing as 300ex boots, except possibly max roll legacy rainbowstrides corrupted for +1 gem level and all white sockets or something stupidly improbable.

Have you ever actually sat down with a bunch of crafting materials and tried it? The guy you mentioned did it exactly right, he got the hardest affixes (movement speed, max %ev and max flat ev) from alts, regals and an exalt. After that it's smooth sailing. There are only 4 rare affixes there, and of those only 30% ms is really that hard to hit (so you do it with alts).

He's rich because people like you see him advertising boots for 300+ ex, and then you just go along with the assertion that they are worth that much. It's silly.

What ? Are you telling me I am lying ? I can show you the original messages exchanged via PM with the original owner. That was a natural drop and the other guy bruteforced them to get the other two resistances. I have proof of it LOL.

Of couse I have done it. I am crafting a shield right now myself. And I know it's going to take me an ETERNITY to craft it because I can't bruteforce eternals in to it all the time.

Inflation happens because of low supply of high tier items being generated naturally, then being bruteforced by rich people and putting astronomical prices on those items.

Then everyone thinks an item a bit less better than that is worth 150 exa. Because those perfect boots cost 370 exa or mirror + huge fee. The horror is watching how those super slim good natural drops are being monopolized by rich people, that is how the market prices skyrocket and RMT follows.

Besides, thank you for your crafting tips, but do you know how many people craft on this game ? You talk as if crafting was a cheap thing to do. Crafting is not even an official system for everyone to enjoy on this game, there is not even enough information about it and Eternals are now 4 exalted each .....

If you don't see what I am saying ... well, what else can I do for you man.

We are always facing problems the same wrong way : individually, instead of globally. That guy's actions, your actions and our actions as a whole are what are shaping the economy of this game, thank you to the wrong design and tools provided by GGG to play / work with it.

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chromafunk wrote:

What ? Are you telling me I am lying ?

No, I'm telling you that your assertion that the boots are worth anything like 300ex is absurd. There are only 4 moderately rare desired affixes.

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Of couse I have done it. I am crafting a shield right now myself. And I know it's going to take me an ETERNITY to craft it because I can't bruteforce eternals in to it all the time.

The fact that you compare crafting a shield to crafting gloves shows you don't really get the issue here. They aren't even close to being the same thing. The affix pool on shields is bigger and the rare affixes (like glyphic) are incredibly rare.

There is no such thing as mirror worthy boots because you can create 6 T1 affix boots for less than the cost of a mirror without needing to get very lucky at all. If you do get lucky it will be a lot less. Shields are a whole different story.

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If you don't see what I am saying ... well, what else can I do for you man.

I know exactly what you're saying. You see someone with an amount of in game wealth that is incomprehensible to you so you're calling him a cheater instead of taking the time to actually look at how he is making his wealth, even though he's showing you exactly how he did it. He's crafting items that have a small affix pool to begin with and then selling them for absurd prices to people who don't understand the difference between making boots and a shield.

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This kind of comment talks a lot about yourself. GL.

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MonstaMunch wrote:

I know exactly what you're saying. You see someone with an amount of in game wealth that is incomprehensible to you so you're calling him a cheater instead of taking the time to actually look at how he is making his wealth, even though he's showing you exactly how he did it. He's crafting items that have a small affix pool to begin with and then selling them for absurd prices to people who don't understand the difference between making boots and a shield.

This, working as intended, lazy people that have bad luck with rgn maybe will buy that, people that knows prices and how crafting works don't, hes not even exploiting an in-game mechanic, hes exploiting dumb rich people, and those my friend, exists on every on-line game.

And stop advertising his shop here :P

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I know exactly what you're saying. You see someone with an amount of in game wealth that is incomprehensible to you so you're calling him a cheater instead of taking the time to actually look at how he is making his wealth, even though he's showing you exactly how he did it. He's crafting items that have a small affix pool to begin with and then selling them for absurd prices to people who don't understand the difference between making boots and a shield.

I clearly know how is he making his wealth, and I think it's wrong. That is why I am posting this, so people can understand how this game works. Believet or not, for most of people on this game, crafting is a dream, very undocumented, expensive thing that they don't even believe they will achieve some day. Couple that with natural good drops almost never happening and being hoarded by rich people. I don't think it's fair to the player base. The economy on this game is tied to the people who is commited to amass wealth more than to people who wants to play the game.

And by the way. I don't think you actually know what are you talking about dude.

ES Gloves have 12 possible prefixes and 16 possible suffixes.

ES shields have 10 possible prefixes and 12 possible suffixes, glyphic being really hard to hit.

Shields are then easier to craft than gloves by what are you saying.

Boots are 8 prefixes and 11 suffixes, only 1 of each less than shields.


I have ever yet too see someone publishing real information about crafting and their experiences, and not just the plain simple and ultra basic guide that Invalesco published on the stone age. If everything it's so obvious to you, why don't you publish a real guide on crafting based on your experiences, so everyone can take advantage of it ? That would be nice of you.