Nothing drops in this game. Unrewarding to play.

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johnKeys wrote:
In Worldbreaker's case, it's "I am lucky therefore game is fine. You are not, therefore dis gaem too hardcore for you and go play Minesweeper".

I've seen quite a few of his kind. The bread and butter of PoE's every wrong balace, bad design, and technical flaw.
They will always be there to cheer, no matter what.
Fueling the wagon with pure stupidity.


I am not lucky, luck would have been finding a perfect chest or already 6L. I have seen a few of your kind too, entitled, casual, doomsayers.

Technical flaws? Yep Desync sucks
Mechanical flaws? Eternal Orbs and Mirrors helped ruin permanent leagues along with legacy items.
Balance flaws? Scion was a mistake by rendering the pure classes a worse choice.

Just a few examples to destroy your radical feminist like ideology.
Stupidity? Yea, you're there, enjoy your stay.

Edit: find mediocre chest, exalt low res save 3 weeks of currency to 6l is called "lucky" hahaha...
Last edited by Worldbreaker#6569 on Apr 24, 2014, 2:26:23 AM
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Worldbreaker wrote:
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johnKeys wrote:
In Worldbreaker's case, it's "I am lucky therefore game is fine. You are not, therefore dis gaem too hardcore for you and go play Minesweeper".

I've seen quite a few of his kind. The bread and butter of PoE's every wrong balace, bad design, and technical flaw.
They will always be there to cheer, no matter what.
Fueling the wagon with pure stupidity.


I am not lucky, luck would have been finding a perfect chest or already 6L. I have seen a few of your kind too, entitled, casual, doomsayers.

Technical flaws? Yep Desync sucks
Mechanical flaws? Eternal Orbs and Mirrors helped ruin permanent leagues along with legacy items.
Balance flaws? Scion was a mistake by rendering the pure classes a worse choice.

Just a few examples to destroy your radical feminist like ideology.
Stupidity? Yea, you're there, enjoy your stay.

Edit: find mediocre chest, exalt low res save 3 weeks of currency to 6l is called "lucky" hahaha...


i told you that is gonna happen.
Last edited by Tom1989#3616 on Apr 24, 2014, 3:07:54 AM
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Veruski wrote:
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SL4Y3R wrote:
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Veruski wrote:
slayer, i wouldn't call a BoR a crap drop in this league, even now

i rarely, if ever, get a drop that good

you're splitting hairs over the 5ex comment.


I'm going off your definition of what constitutes a good drop. Since good is subjective, I can only use the information I'm given.


you have to insert some percentage error or it makes no sense

you could just subtract 1 alteration orb from what i stated, then say "what, THIS isn't a good drop? you said it HAD to be worth more than X! and this is only worth X - 1 alt!"

so basically, you're trolling

a BoR is a decent drop. you know i think this because i'm telling you this. it's not great, but it's a solid drop.

and even items like that, i virtually never find. for all reasonable purposes, they do not drop.


He isnt trolling. You both have a point. You just should define, what does the "good drops" mean for you.
You shouldnt be selfish, you should think about what is good for game first, not for yourself personally. Otherwise, your suggestions will never be fair.
IGN: MortalKombat
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There is no knowledge
That is not power
infernal mantle is a pretty good unique.
The problems are that there are lots of them and it doesnt worth much currency.

Thats why i keep telling people that u either RMT or live with it.
oh wait you can quit this shit too.
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Worldbreaker wrote:
Edit: find mediocre chest, exalt low res save 3 weeks of currency to 6l is called "lucky" hahaha...

If you did save 2000+ fusing in 3 weeks as you claimed with no trade/flip, no it is pure determination and hard work.

On the other hand if you got a 6L with just a few hundred fuse, then yes it is sheer and pure luck.
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Worldbreaker wrote:
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Tom1989 wrote:
"Nothing drops in this game. Unrewarding to play." This is kind of the reality.
You have to RMT if u dont wanna farm & trade like an idiot.

Do u have any suggestion that can solve the problem?




Yes, play the game.

Chest dropped, exalted the cold res, saved 3 weeks worth of currency to 6L. No flipping, trade chat or RMT.

Anarchy/Domination had the same experience, domination took 1 1/2 months of fusings.

My suggestion, there is nothing to fix.

And there are plenty of people that save 3 weeks worth of currency and don't 6l. There are also people who find a Shavs on their first char and 6l it within 10 jewellers and fuse. What's your point? That you can get lucky in this game? Well, no shit sherlock.
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symban wrote:
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Worldbreaker wrote:
Edit: find mediocre chest, exalt low res save 3 weeks of currency to 6l is called "lucky" hahaha...

If you did save 2000+ fusing in 3 weeks as you claimed with no trade/flip, no it is pure determination and hard work.

On the other hand if you got a 6L with just a few hundred fuse, then yes it is sheer and pure luck.


It was over 800.

Domination was almost 2k on an astral.

The argument was nothing good drops, the chest dropped with good stats, I made it great by 6 linking it.
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Worldbreaker wrote:
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symban wrote:
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Worldbreaker wrote:
Edit: find mediocre chest, exalt low res save 3 weeks of currency to 6l is called "lucky" hahaha...

If you did save 2000+ fusing in 3 weeks as you claimed with no trade/flip, no it is pure determination and hard work.

On the other hand if you got a 6L with just a few hundred fuse, then yes it is sheer and pure luck.


It was over 800.

Domination was almost 2k on an astral.

The argument was nothing good drops, the chest dropped with good stats, I made it great by 6 linking it.

By getting lucky. That's legitimately what every single individual fusing is. If you manage to 6l something on any given fusing, you got lucky. You managed within 800 which isn't terrible. Others may not have the same luck and require over 2k, over 3k, over 4k, over 5k. I've dumped 6k fusings into a chest before without a single 6l. If you think you can farm 6k fusings simply from farming and not trading/selling a good deal in any reasonable amount of time, you're high.

No one said you couldn't get lucky. Like I said, I'm sure there's been some lucky bastard somewhere that gets a Shavs drop in City of Sarn and 6l's it within 10 jewellers and fusings. Just that the odds of that are so astronomically low and the variance is so enormously high. There's also no fallback for people who get unlucky. The game basically hugely rewards people who get one or two very lucky rolls and fails to provide any appreciable reward for the other 99.9999% of the time with no sense of entropy or safety net.

If you get lucky, good for you. If you grind ad infinitum like a bot in way too low leveled zones for you to accumulate enough currency to try to brute force your way, great. Otherwise you're left with trading and flipping to try to even out the extreme variance of RNG. That's not fun for the vast majority of people that play games in this genre.
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UnderOmerta wrote:

By getting lucky. That's legitimately what every single individual fusing is. If you manage to 6l something on any given fusing, you got lucky. You managed within 800 which isn't terrible. Others may not have the same luck and require over 2k, over 3k, over 4k, over 5k. I've dumped 6k fusings into a chest before without a single 6l. If you think you can farm 6k fusings simply from farming and not trading/selling a good deal in any reasonable amount of time, you're high.

No one said you couldn't get lucky. Like I said, I'm sure there's been some lucky bastard somewhere that gets a Shavs drop in City of Sarn and 6l's it within 10 jewellers and fusings. Just that the odds of that are so astronomically low and the variance is so enormously high. There's also no fallback for people who get unlucky. The game basically hugely rewards people who get one or two very lucky rolls and fails to provide any appreciable reward for the other 99.9999% of the time with no sense of entropy or safety net.

If you get lucky, good for you. If you grind ad infinitum like a bot in way too low leveled zones for you to accumulate enough currency to try to brute force your way, great. Otherwise you're left with trading and flipping to try to even out the extreme variance of RNG. That's not fun for the vast majority of people that play games in this genre.


I was doing 78 maps with that chest as a 5L, the 6L was a luxury.

If your point was that everything is lucky, then everyone is lucky. I never found Kaoms or Shavs but have found lots of good stuff, so has everyone else. Saying nothing good drops is bullshit.

Our opinion on being "lucky" is the same as our opinion on "good" and neither one of us will budge on our own definition so arguing about it is moot.
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Worldbreaker wrote:
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UnderOmerta wrote:

By getting lucky. That's legitimately what every single individual fusing is. If you manage to 6l something on any given fusing, you got lucky. You managed within 800 which isn't terrible. Others may not have the same luck and require over 2k, over 3k, over 4k, over 5k. I've dumped 6k fusings into a chest before without a single 6l. If you think you can farm 6k fusings simply from farming and not trading/selling a good deal in any reasonable amount of time, you're high.

No one said you couldn't get lucky. Like I said, I'm sure there's been some lucky bastard somewhere that gets a Shavs drop in City of Sarn and 6l's it within 10 jewellers and fusings. Just that the odds of that are so astronomically low and the variance is so enormously high. There's also no fallback for people who get unlucky. The game basically hugely rewards people who get one or two very lucky rolls and fails to provide any appreciable reward for the other 99.9999% of the time with no sense of entropy or safety net.

If you get lucky, good for you. If you grind ad infinitum like a bot in way too low leveled zones for you to accumulate enough currency to try to brute force your way, great. Otherwise you're left with trading and flipping to try to even out the extreme variance of RNG. That's not fun for the vast majority of people that play games in this genre.


I was doing 78 maps with that chest as a 5L, the 6L was a luxury.

If your point was that everything is lucky, then everyone is lucky. I never found Kaoms or Shavs but have found lots of good stuff, so has everyone else. Saying nothing good drops is bullshit.

Our opinion on being "lucky" is the same as our opinion on "good" and neither one of us will budge on our own definition so arguing about it is moot.

Yeah and I've done 78/9 maps with a 4l before. That's not the point. It's not "hey is there anyway around the gear requirement." Of course there are certain builds that don't require a lot of links.

The point is in the scenario of, "Hey, I want to be able to make a build with X, Y, and Z unique (because they're build enabling), can I reasonably do it?" If the answer is no, then your game design is bad. If in order to do it you either need to get obscenely lucky or spend all day trading/selling/flipping, then it's also not a good scenario.

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