What this Passive-Reset Proves.

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DoomCarpace wrote:

First of all, all games that I know of have some form of a d2jsp third party websites that if you use them you will get your account banned. So why should this game be any different. You did not give us any new info on that point just rehashing what we already know.

I guess you do not understand that some builds are gonna be optimized for certain things. Some builds are gonna be better optimized for leveling. Others for end game mapping. Still others for Piety runs. Some will be better for beating Atziri. And having a weekly reset will allow players to shift their build around according to how they feel for that given week. Which means that there will be no meaningful choice that you had to make that cannot be undone without spending hours farming for orbs or cough cough re-rolling.

Next I never said that this game competes with D3. All I said that D3 is easier and does not have the depth in building a character like this game does. In fact according to those that hate D3 (not me) will tell you that this game blows D3 out of the water.

Oh and every player to come up with an idea will be the greatest idea ever and should be instantly implemented. Well news flash everyone has a boner of a idea from time to time. But the problem with you is that you are not man enough to admit when you have a bad idea for this game.

A real man would admit it and move on with his life. I have done that in other games that I have made a suggestion and someone gave good proof as to why it was a bad suggestion.

Also when you try to say hey you need to be just like me you will get a lot of people angry at you regardless of the type of person that you are. Just like religion you should let your actions be what causes people to want to be like you instead of saying hey I am right be just like me. Sorry but all of the insults in the world or anything else you try will not work as good as actions that show your way is better.

I believe that if we were face to face or you were in a room with all of the ones that have replied to you you would not use as much bad language as you have done throughout this entire thread. So your insulting ways have not changed. Sure you do try to keep a civil tongue. But make some replies that will show us that you can go for an entire posts without acting like a spoiled child. No better than that acting like a spoiled child that talks like Richard Prior used to talk when telling jokes.

BRO! YOU KEEP COMING BACK TO THE SAME SHIT!

PEOPLE DO STILL USE THE BLOODY FOTMS, PEOPLE ALREADY HAVE CHARACTERS WITH BUILDS MADE JUST TO KILL ONE PARTICULAR BOSS SO THEY CAN FARM IT, IN THE FUCKING PRESENT DAY, WITH YOUR PERFECT GOD TREE!!!!!!

YOU KEEP SAYING THAT THEY WILL START DOING THIS ID one WEEK RESETS ARE ALLOWED, HEY, IT ALREADY FUCKING HAPPENS! IF YOU CAN'T STOP ASSHOLES, STOP SUPPORTING THEM!

oh i should spend a few hours rerolling? or farming orbs? Heck, Why don't i just throw some money at someone ant get a reset, IN THE PRESENT DAY! ON YOUR PERFECT GAME! THAT MAKES PEOPLE PLAY "GOOD" AND "THE WAY IT'S MEANT TO BE" HAH!

And once again, i wouldn't know about D3.

Hehe here comes the funny :

A ALREADY ADMIT THAT THIS GAME IS FULL OF BAD IDEAS, PAY 2 WIN SHOPS, GUIDES TO WIN, WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO ACCEPT?!

THAT I WANT ENOUGH INFORMATION TO BE PROVIDED IN TH GAME? OH MY GOD, I GUESS I AM WORSE THAN ANYONE SUPPORTING P2W and G2W Like yourself, Then Yes, i am wrong haha.


But you see, just like religion, People here have an unchangable idea of it being right. And someone of another Religion(idea) Can NOT Change your mind, because you have a pre-existing belief which you never even proved to yourself to be true, yet believed in it. And JUST LIKE RELIGION, ONLY ONE WILL BE RIGHT, and it doesn't have to Be the BIGGEST Group, which is never a basis of being right to begin with. IT can just be that one guy who asked ; "what if god doesn't exist?" And everyone burned him because he decided to open his eyes and question his own beliefs. I don't care if people hate me for what i say, because i actually put considerable time and effort in believing what i do now, and i would love to see an intellectual prove me otherwise.

If i was in a room with everyone who posted this, i would still use whatever language they entice me to use.

The fact that i can completely stop abusing if i so choose, should tell you that i can control myself well enough to have a "civilised" conversation with anyone who would be ready to First suspend their preconceptual beliefs about this game and then talk to me about it point to point. But on the internet everyone is right on their screen. Just because there's 50 or even 10000 of you, it does not make you any more right than 1 person saying the same thing.

But i will never be nice to people who are clearly ignorant and constantly turn blind-side to other problems stemming from the same thing and act like every thing is perfect. Just like pretty much every Religion.


I will happily stop, acknowledge and leave if someone capable enough of proving me wrong comes here, but i know that will not happen.


but you see, no matter how capable or incapable someone might be of proving me right or wrong, Can not do so if i am already right, or at least "MORE RIGHT". Nope, not even god. no one.


It's kind of like how a christian person sees christianity as a "Great religion which is the way to get closer to happiness and god, to become free of all sins, and go to heaven and all the other goodies"

and i see it as " a Holocaust that grew over the years and spread across the world killing cities full of jews muslims like a disease, corrupting the minds of the weak and the poor, killing critical and non-linear thinking,giving people an illusion of a perfect reality, which they will take, because it is more than they ever had, even if it is nothing and still exists in a modern world, such a toxin to the human mind." Tell me Which one is true? The one that 2 billion people of this world believe to be, Or me, the one who see's it for what it is?

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DoomCarpace wrote:

You keep spouting paid to win like this game has a RMAH (real money auction house) built right into the game. Sorry but D3 was the only game that done that and in about 11 days it and the gold auction house will be shut down because it short circuited the process of being able to find your own upgrades after a certain point on the gear curve was reached.

By your own words then the mere existence of any third party sites would make that game a paid to win game as well. So you are not providing any new info that is not already known.

Now who ever said that this game or any game made by man is perfect and can please everyone. I am sure that you have heard of the line; “You can please some of the people some of the time all of the people some of the time some of the people all of the time but you can never please all of the people all of the time.” This is a quote that Abraham Lincoln made. This just goes to show you it is impossible to please everyone.

Also if their game was perfect then it would not need any patches at all because nothing would be broken or OP'd at all.

A person without any faith in anything at all does not lead a happy life. I agree with what an boss from a company that I used to work for years ago said. Everyone has to believe in something. Heck even if you believe that one day science will solve all of our problems that is a belief. If you believe that one day man will find the perfect government then that to is a belief. If you believe that one day medical science will find the cure to all ails then that too is a belief. So belief is not tied solely to religion.

How is RMAH any different? the basis is still the same => Pay money Get item/reset/anything else? Please Explain how they don't essentially do the same thing?
( that is not even the main thing. The fact is; People can buy anything, and GGG actively does NOTHING!)


Yeah third party sites should give "EXTRA" INFORMATION, something that can be added to the information found in the game... BUT WAIT! THERE IS NO INFORMATION IN THE GAME, THAT YOU CANT SEE DIRECTLY ON THE TOOLS, Hell, you can even LOAD YOUR ENTIRE INVENTORY and EMULATE THINGS LIKE THE GAME Base, Item,Point Stats SHOWING SEPARATELY, seeing the EASIEST AND THE SHORTEST WAY TO GET TO A NODE, SIMPLY BY MOUSING OVER IT!(which is not in the game, because they stupid) ( Actually better in every way since you cant emulate jack shit on PoE). .. Nothing to see here guys, no advantage over the people who haven't yet found these sites because HOW WILL THEY KNOW THERE'S MORE TO SOMETHING?( You want people to figure everything out by themselves? Well you should stop going to sites too then)


And just because it's impossible to 'please everyone', they should at least make an effort Even if a half assed one, to BALANCE THE LEVEL OF EASE that People who buy resets, use guides or Thirparty software Have over the people who Play the game like it was meant to be played.

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wicca369 wrote:

If there was no mystery or challenge to the game, there would be no need for a community. No forums or heated debates because everything would be summed up on a billboard in the middle of town... I personally enjoy the fact that Poe requires us to test out ideas ourselves, with consequences.

Nope, people would discuss their nodes, Gem details, item rolls, linking, socketting, and dozens of other topics. The only Topic that would get lost would be "WHere the OP Builds AT" or "How do i become op" or "LOOK DIscovered INsane 4525251235151Dps build all info inside"

Which would actually help purge this community of posters who like to flaunt their build, and not just flaunt, but to let hundreds of people to actually copy that build and lose 100 Unique builds that those people would have made, HAD THE GAME GIVEN THEM A RATIONAL OPPORTUNITY!

Yeah guys " help " each other by throwing away the possibility of you coming up with a build and just "Research" other people's build *WINK WINK*.

And once again:
A game community does not exist because people post threads. IT Exists From people playing the game.

A game community will exist even if you take all the forums down. I don't know what all your "Requirements" of something being called a community are, but i just consider it a community when people help each other, Even without Dumbing each other down by passing easy builds every possible second.

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wicca369 wrote:

If there was no mystery or challenge to the game, there would be no need for a community. No forums or heated debates because everything would be summed up on a billboard in the middle of town... I personally enjoy the fact that Poe requires us to test out ideas ourselves, with consequences.

Nope, people would discuss their nodes, Gem details, item rolls, linking, socketting, and dozens of other topics. The only Topic that would get lost would be "WHere the OP Builds AT" or "How do i become op" or "LOOK DIscovered INsane 4525251235151Dps build all info inside"

Which would actually help purge this community of posters who like to flaunt their build, and not just flaunt, but to let hundreds of people to actually copy that build and lose 100 Unique builds that those people would have made, HAD THE GAME GIVEN THEM A RATIONAL OPPORTUNITY!

Yeah guys " help " each other by throwing away the possibility of you coming up with a build and just "Research" other people's build *WINK WINK*.

And once again:
A game community does not exist because people post threads. IT Exists From people playing the game.

A game community will exist even if you take all the forums down. I don't know what all your "Requirements" of something being called a community are, but i just consider it a community when people help each other, Even without Dumbing each other down by passing easy builds every possible second.

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allionus wrote:

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Nicholas_Steel wrote:

Anyways, OP is angry that people are using 3rd party tools to plan out their character build. The solution proposed by him? Make it significantly easier to change players builds on-the-fly! Ditch the current skill tree because it discourages/slows down copying other players builds that you want to try on a whim!

haha another one. Ok, I am not angry about people using 3rd party tools " to plan out their build" as you have said, silly man. It's the fact that the same people think it doesn't give them a great advantage over anyone who does not have access to the tools(now what? you gonna say it's their fault for not searching for TEH TEWLLLSSS, think a little more than about yourself, prick ,lol. Yeah you deserve this for making such a shallow post which you might even just have copied from someone else

But just go look at the Item shop and shove the items up your mouth, just 2$ for 20 chas orbs Enjoy your "fair" Game hahaha .Have fun, Shoving up that idea of this game being fair up your ass along with those chaos orbs and other " HOT DEALS" on the online shop haha. " ohohoh look at my beautiful game's Passive tree, that Solves everything AHAHAHHA." " OH WAIT, WHAT IS THIS ONLINE SHOP DOING IN THE MIDDLE OF MY PERFECT GAME




WAIT, DO YOU KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO RESET YOUR CHARACTER RIGHT NOW,, WITH THE PERFECT PASSIVE TREE CURRENTLY IN PLACE? ??

HERE, THE ANSWER IS HERE :




.ignorance truly is bliss.


(maybe i should try some towards your kind of people)

Look I have removed the site you showed a link to because if GGG is like all other online games and offline games that still exists. Buying virtual items for real money is against the rules and posting such sites will get you into trouble from the devs. So you are only showing us a site like the one for D2. That does not tell us something that we didn't know about. Show me one game that does not have such a thing go ahead I will wait.

Those sites really do not give you an advantage that anyone else does not have if they want the same thing you do. Everyone that wants the perfect build for whatever reason has access to the same sites. I do not know of any sites that require you to be part of a top secret society and pay thousands in monthly subs just to get access to that info.

Look the real reason that information is not there is because of information overload. With all of the information you were looking for in your OP would mean players would have to spend hundreds of hours just trying to figure out how to spend their next point. Also some players do not care to learn about all of the nuances of the game. They only care about being able to log in and slaughter monsters. If their build sucks then there are no doubt a lot of players that are perfectly fine with re-rolling to fix their build.

and DoomCarpace, i will talk about this :

:"A person without any faith in anything at all does not lead a happy life. I agree with what a boss from a company that I used to work for years ago said. Everyone has to believe in something. Heck even if you believe that one day science will solve all of our problems that is a belief. If you believe that one day man will find the perfect government then that to is a belief. If you believe that one day medical science will find the cure to all ails then that too is a belief. So belief is not tied solely to religion.":


unlike your boss, i do not think you need to believe in something. That is just something people tell themselves to stop feeling lost and purpose-less.

And i don't know if Science will solve all the problems, but at least it doesn't make promises of me finding heaven and being forgiven of everything bad that i have ever done if i just "confess" lol.

The very idea that people think of themselves as spiritual beings tells me that people just want to feel like it all means something haha, just because you think it does, does nothing to change it's reality, not 1 belief not a billion can change the ultimate truth.

You see, i DON'T NEED to believe in ANYTHING, because it will EXIST AND WILL NOT STOP EXISTING JUST BECAUSE I STOP BELIEVING.

And Neither will something become real, just because you believe in it, you see, REALITY IS FREE OF YOUR PERCEPTION OF IT.


And just like a pre-existing belief, you can't find it easy to suddenly stop seeing something the way you did.


Say you get cancer, and you think " oh yes god will save me, because i believe him and he exists." Will It be cured? JUST BECAUSE YOU FUCKING BELIEVE IN IT!!!!!! I wonder how many people died believing in that same god. Do you ever blame god for anything bad happening? or do you just thank him every time something good happens like every believer that i have seen.

There is a reality in this world, one that is free from any human "interference". But how will you see it if you already have a god as the answer to everything and all your problems, after life, existence, universe, why am i here = god god god god god. Ok all answered. now you can relax. Oh ok, i guess i'll just wait to go to heaven since someone told me i will because god loves me.

DoomCarpace, Did you ever think of just for one second suspending all your beliefs about this game and see each aspect for what it is and what it does, Not just to you, but to everyone, even the people who just joined and know nothing about guides and shit, Do not let THE ONLY reason for justifying this storm of shit be your belief that It worked for you, so its gonna work for everyone else.



And have you ever contemplated what would happen to you if one Day, on your deathbed, you realise 'what if there is no god', 'what if everything i believed in and defend was for nothing', what would you do then? when you had your whole life to look for the answer, but you chose to accept the one that Everyone around you gave you. We humans so funny.

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People here also have the illusion that re rolling teaches you lessons, when the lesson is learnt when i die to the skeletons 15 times with my guy and then instead of trying till i succeed, they just expect me to give all of that work up, re roll the same class again, Do the EASY PART AGAIN to reach the same level with the same gear (if not better) and on the same class..... i can already replay the game 21 times if i just play each class to level 60 anyways. I do not think they need to shove more replay up our butts.

You learn what not to do it is as simple as that really it is. In some cases the problem is not having good enough gear. Some the problem is he skill gems you choose to use. Others it is the passive skill tree build. Still others it is a little of all of the above. But you do learn in time what mechanics are important to a character and what stats are important and which ones are useless to you.

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and true, this skill tree is one reason for the "handicapping" of this game, in the sense of player population. they say " Only the best Players will get to the top,etc", when as a matter of fact,

So you are saying that it is real easy to get to level 100 huh. Mind proving it with a video that shows you can get to level 100 with the greatest of ease.

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They can either Allow us to see _Every visible change in the character that takes place while allocating points in game_(they can use all the extra space on the sides to add the "C" page to it but they don't seem to be thinking enough)..

or

Just allow us a one reset per week option where we can try making changes to the builds every once a week, Or maybe GGG is just gonna keep it like this, Because it makes people go BUY the RESET with REAL MONEY. But the REAL FUNNY part about it is that people here seem to be perfectly fine with the online "every item in game available for purchase" idea, but oppose a reset.

They will not put anymore information into the game because it will lead to information overload. Also some players do not care about all of that extra information.

Next they will not provide a weekly reset due to what others have told you and you have chosen to ignore them.

Case in point take the Ground Slam Marauder that is for noobs. Yes the guide that is here on the forums. Before the patch you would have the marauder with more than enough resist nodes that you could easily have max resist with a few pieces of gear. Now with full respecs every week a player could use that build (modified one) build it up till they start getting better gear then use a week reset to respec out of certain resist nodes and maybe even drop BM to be able to use auras and eventually pick up amplify. Then a week later they might want to try a Infernal Blow Marauder. Then next week a bow using marauder. There would be no end to that either.

Look playing the game over again is part of the replayability in the game just like the game that they copied it from D2. Also it makes the choices you make meaningful because you have to carefully think about each point you spend.

":So you are saying that it is real easy to get to level 100 huh. Mind proving it with a video that shows you can get to level 100 with the greatest of ease. :"

Never said it was "easy", but that was not the point. The point was that it makes the game " EASIER" EASIERRRRRR not EasYYYYY, difference.


":They will not put anymore information into the game because it will lead to information overload:"

Hehe it's funny because if they did put any info in the game, it would actually become "Underloaded" from "Negligible".

And just because "some" people don't care about that info because they just read it elsewhere, doesn't mean they shouldn't put it in, because not everyone loves opening a search window every 5 minutes when they coulda just walked up to a board in the game that gave the same info, and now people suddenly think its more of a work and effort/hardcore/challenge thing to go on sites to find material haha, if anyone thinks like this, they're retarded and should accept it.

Oh, I don't mind 0 TEXT IN THE GAME, JUST BECAUSE I DON'T MIND NO TEXT IN THE GAME, LETS MAKE IT LIKE THAT, SINCE I THINK LIKE THAT. (that is what your sentence was like)

yeah, and the "replayability" stuff that they copied from Diablo, is 15 years OLD! These people Havent bothered reviewing it and everyone here pretends like we are in the 90's Lol and things are "good old school" EEEEEEEEEPPPPP NOO. They didn't have sites which sold you everything you want. ( and you really dont seem to be caring about these shops haha, because that will be one more thing to oppose, and opposing this would mean you oppose the Devs because they are the ones who let it open which would make you question their Passive tree, since it's the same people.

I HOPE YOU DON'T FORGET THAT GGG IS HERE TO MAKE MONEY, EVERYTHING ELSE COMES LATER,
IF THEY COULD MAKE THE SAME OR MORE AMOUNT WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING(which they are most of the time) THEY WOULD. IT'S A BUSINESS FIRST, YOU & I COME LATER. (doesn't matter what you or i believe).


LOOOK BROOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo ^ A NON-HUMAN TRUTH!

In the rawest forms, you are defending the policy of a business' Service, which it uses to make money by opening up other options.

You are not defending anything else that you Label it with. Replayability, good old times, fun, happiness, entertainment, whatever you say these are all planned, the way the game is made, its planned, to pull certain types of players to it.

If i made a game, i would never allow an online shop if i go around saying "OUR GAME IS THE RAWEST ARPG HERE, AND YOU ONLY WIN BY HARD WORK"..... (or you can just avoid the whole trouble of re rolling with money$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$).



someone reading this might even think i am mocking, but the funny thing is, it's almost ridiculous how evident their business plan is and then i see people ready to get rekt, just to defend this game haha. Just like Religion, Millions of people have died to protect it, AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT EXISTED.


KNOWING AND BELIEVING ARE NOT THE SAME THING. TING TING TING!!!! ALARM!!!! TING TING!!!!!